From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261497AbTD1X5A (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:57:00 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261500AbTD1X5A (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:57:00 -0400 Received: from smtp.bitmover.com ([192.132.92.12]:11725 "EHLO smtp.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261497AbTD1X46 (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Apr 2003 19:56:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:09:04 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Alan Cox Cc: Larry McVoy , Matthias Schniedermeyer , Ross Vandegrift , Chris Adams , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Message-ID: <20030429000904.GA9653@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , Alan Cox , Larry McVoy , Matthias Schniedermeyer , Ross Vandegrift , Chris Adams , Linux Kernel Mailing List References: <20030427183553.GA955879@hiwaay.net> <20030427185037.GA23581@work.bitmover.com> <20030427220717.GA24991@willow.seitz.com> <20030427223255.GH23068@work.bitmover.com> <20030428200424.GA9252@citd.de> <20030428201816.GB23581@work.bitmover.com> <1051568160.17370.3.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1051568160.17370.3.camel@dhcp22.swansea.linux.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.5, required 4.5, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: [How he knows more about the law, and everything else, than I, for one, do] Look, Alan et al, you keep wanting to make this a BK thing and/or tell me how I've got my head screwed on wrong and I'm finding it a bit tedious. The point you are missing, utterly and completely, is that I am someone who has been a member of this "community" for a long time and I'm also running a business. There aren't a huge number of people doing both and there is even a smaller number willing to waste their time trying to help out on this list. I have a pretty good idea of how you look at things and I am developing a pretty good idea of how businesses look at things. That might be useful to you, in one person you have access to both perspectives. If I tell you that businesses will look at things a certain way perhaps that should have a little more credibility than Microsoft telling you how their new feature is for your own good. Then again, given the response, maybe not. I've tried to tell you how the businesses will see things because that is information that you might not already have and their actions can cause you grief. You make plenty of noise about how you hate the corporate things that they do yet when I try and explain why they are doing those things, from their perspective, you shoot the messenger. This constant "I know how the law works and you don't" is no match for "Microsoft has enough money to change the law". There was this little anti-trust case, maybe you heard of it, it was obvious that they should have lost and they didn't. How does your opinion, which would clearly have been that they should have lost, reconcile with the fact that they didn't lose? I don't get it, you apparently see something I don't. What makes it frustrating is that I used to share a lot of your opinions but in the process of running a business I learned a fair amount which changed my perspective. Unfortunately, you are doing a great job of directing the discussion away from any of that information. I don't know what to say to make the information more interesting to you and maybe I should accept the fact that you don't want to hear it. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm