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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: must-fix list for 2.6.0
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:52:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030430045259.GD8978@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030429214537.7c6a6aaf.akpm@digeo.com>

William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com> wrote:
>> I didn't notice anything specific here about sys_remap_file_pages() vs.
>> truncate() (sans objrmap); did a fix fly by that I didn't notice,
>> or was it less of an issue than I thought it was?

On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:45:37PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> That's just a bug.  We can either go through and unmap all the pages via
> their rmap chains, or mark the vma as nonlinear and just anonymise the pages
> and to heck with the SIGBUS.  I'm not particularly fussed either way
> really...

Okay, I'll just fill in if no one else appears to do the busywork.


William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com> wrote:
>> Also, the OOM killer fails to check lowmem; basically it just needs
>> -       if (nr_swap_pages > 0)
>> +       if (nr_swap_pages > 0 && nr_free_buffer_pages() > 0)
>> With that in addition to the OOM killer locking patch I posted and
>> another to completely eliminate mm-less processes from consideration
>> 64GB ia32 (with, of course, my oversized out-of-tree patch) recovers
>> from OOM instead of deadlocking after a mass-killing with swap online.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:45:37PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Wanna send patch?

Absolutely; I'll arrange a more organized presentation around Thursday
(yes, I'm among the last-minute OLS people -- it couldn't be helped).


William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com> wrote:
>> I'd be interested in more detailed descriptions of the user-level no
>> overcommit, dcacheicache, and truncated ext3 page issues after Thursday.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:45:37PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> The arithmetic in vm_enough_memory() is woefully inaccurate.  If you have no
> swap and then build up a lot of icache/dcache, vm_enough_memory()
> underestimates the amount of reclaimable memory by a lot and big mallocs
> fail.  If the i/dcache has internal fragmentation it gets even worse.
> I had a brief poke at that a while ago and decided it was basically hopeless.
> I suspect that assuming "all slab pages are reclaimable" would be the best
> fix here.

It sounds like some thought may be necessary if the above approach is
to be improved upon.


On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:45:37PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> The ext3 truncate pages are those pages which are on the LRU and have
> buffers, but that's _all_ they have.  They are instantly reclaimable and are
> basically free memory.  Only nobody knows that yet, so vm_enough_memory()
> gets it wrong.  The fix would be to nail these pages more aggressively in
> journal_unmap_buffer(), or to account for them and include that accounting in
> vm_emough_memory().  I'd prefer to just free the dang pages in
> journal_unmap_buffer().

Noted.


William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com> wrote:
>> The latter sounds easy to address. It actually sounds like a 2.4.x
>> compatibility fix.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:45:37PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> davem thinks we shouldn't need it, and I've seen no bug reports that indicate
> that we _do_ need it, but Andi says we do.
> Certainly something needs to be done in that area - a ppc64 box with 16G of
> memory (all ZONE_DMA) cruises along with just 1M of memory free.

Okay, I'll classify that as a back-burner issue.

Thanks.


-- wli

  reply	other threads:[~2003-04-30  4:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-29 22:57 must-fix list for 2.6.0 Andrew Morton
2003-04-29 23:22 ` John Bradford
2003-04-29 23:37   ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-30  3:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-30  4:45   ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-30  4:52     ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-05-01  4:32     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-30  8:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-04-30 10:16 ` Maciej Soltysiak
2003-04-30 19:11   ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-30 23:11     ` Rick Lindsley
2003-04-30 23:21       ` Andrew Morton
2003-04-30 23:47         ` viro
2003-04-30 23:59           ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-01  6:27             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-01  5:49               ` Shawn
2003-05-01 10:14                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-01  9:47                   ` Alan Cox
2003-05-01 15:44               ` Robert Love
2003-05-01  0:09           ` Robert Love
2003-05-01  0:51             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-05-01  5:40               ` Dave Hansen
2003-05-01 11:57                 ` Bill Huey
2003-04-30 23:53         ` Robert Love
2003-05-01  8:36         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-01  8:42           ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-01  8:47             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-04-30 23:41       ` Robert Love
2003-05-01 16:50         ` Hubertus Franke
2003-05-01  3:21     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-05-01  6:26       ` Mike Galbraith
2003-05-01 14:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-01 18:42   ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-01 18:47     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-02  1:57       ` Andreas Boman
     [not found] <20030429155731.07811707.akpm@digeo.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-04-30  1:36 ` Andi Kleen
2003-04-30 18:09   ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-30 18:15     ` Andi Kleen
2003-04-30 19:11       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <20030429231009$1e6b@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-04-30  4:55 ` Florian Weimer
2003-04-30 10:18   ` Maciej Soltysiak
2003-05-01 11:24   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-01 11:27     ` Florian Weimer
2003-05-01 12:03       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-01 12:05       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-02 16:28         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-05-02 21:14           ` David S. Miller

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