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From: Daniel Phillips <dphillips@sistina.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Falk Hueffner <falk.hueffner@student.uni-tuebingen.de>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Faster generic_fls
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:15:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200304302115.33424.dphillips@sistina.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304300709300.7157-100000@home.transmeta.com>

On Wednesday 30 April 2003 16:11, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On 30 Apr 2003, Falk Hueffner wrote:
> > gcc 3.4 will have a __builtin_ctz function which can be used for this.
> > It will emit special instructions on CPUs that support it (i386, Alpha
> > EV67), and use a lookup table on others, which is very boring, but
> > also faster.
>
> Classic mistake. Lookup tables are only faster in benchmarks, they are
> almost always slower in real life. You only need to miss in the cache
> _once_ on the lookup to lose all the time you won on the previous one
> hundred calls.
>
> "Small and simple" is almost always better than the alternatives. I
> suspect that's one reason why older versions of gcc often generate code
> that actually runs faster than newer versions: the newer versions _look_
> like they do a better job, but..

I agree that this one lies in a gray area, being linearly faster (PIV 
notwithwstanding) but bigger too.

In the dawn of time, before God gave us Cache, my version would have been the 
fastest, because it executes the fewest instructions.  In the misty future, 
as cache continues to scale and processors sprout more parallel execution 
units, it will be clearly better once again.  For now, it's marginal, and 
after all, what's a factor of two between friends?

Regards,

Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-04-30 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-30  2:46 [RFC][PATCH] Faster generic_fls Daniel Phillips
2003-04-30  7:19 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-04-30  8:36   ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-04-30  8:43     ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-04-30  8:52     ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-04-30  8:51       ` P
2003-04-30 13:51   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-30 11:14 ` Falk Hueffner
2003-04-30 13:03   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-30 13:17     ` Falk Hueffner
2003-04-30 14:07       ` Daniel Phillips
2003-04-30 14:11   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-30 14:53     ` Falk Hueffner
2003-04-30 15:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-30 16:03         ` Falk Hueffner
2003-04-30 16:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-30 16:43             ` Falk Hueffner
2003-04-30 20:25             ` Alan Cox
2003-04-30 21:59               ` Falk Hueffner
2003-04-30 22:22                 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-30 23:41               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-30 22:47                 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-01  0:12                 ` Falk Hueffner
2003-05-01  1:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-30 19:15     ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2003-04-30 20:59       ` Willy Tarreau
2003-05-01  1:02         ` Daniel Phillips
2003-05-01  9:19           ` Willy Tarreau
2003-05-01 16:02             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-04-30 20:55 ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-01  5:03   ` hugang
2003-05-01  5:11     ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-01  5:33       ` hugang
2003-05-01  7:05         ` hugang
2003-05-01 13:52           ` Willy TARREAU
2003-05-01 14:14             ` Falk Hueffner
2003-05-01 14:26               ` Willy TARREAU
2003-05-01 14:53             ` hugang
2003-05-01 15:54               ` Thomas Schlichter
2003-05-02  0:33                 ` hugang
2003-05-01 17:16               ` Willy TARREAU
2003-05-01 23:27                 ` Thomas Schlichter
2003-05-02  0:10                   ` Willy Tarreau
2003-05-02  0:43                     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-05-02  0:54                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-02 12:21                         ` Daniel Phillips
2003-05-02  1:47                       ` Thomas Schlichter
2003-05-02 13:24                         ` Willy Tarreau
2003-05-02  0:13                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-05-02  0:13             ` Lincoln Dale
2003-05-01  5:16   ` hugang
2003-05-01 10:22     ` Willy TARREAU
2003-05-01 11:17       ` hugang
2003-05-01 11:45         ` Willy TARREAU
     [not found] <87d6j34jad.fsf@student.uni-tuebingen.de.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304301801210.20283-100000@home.transmeta.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-05-01  1:46   ` Andi Kleen
2003-05-01  4:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-01 12:00       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-02  5:14         ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-01 13:31 linux
2003-05-01 17:15 Chuck Ebbert
2003-05-02  8:50 Chuck Ebbert
2003-05-02  9:37 ` Peter Osterlund
2003-05-02 10:04 Chuck Ebbert
2003-05-02 22:55 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-03  2:21 Chuck Ebbert

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