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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: hch@infradead.org
Cc: dwmw2@infradead.org, thomas@horsten.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.4.21-rc1: byteorder.h breaks with __STRICT_ANSI__ defined (trivial)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 22:19:00 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030506.221900.38693097.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030507072002.A7424@infradead.org>

   From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
   Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:20:02 +0100

   On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 10:07:14PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
   > For example, I just changed the values of a few SADB_EALG_* values in
   > pfkeyv2.h.  Now ipsec-tools is effectively broken.  Oops, when will
   > the copy in ipsec-tools get updated?
   
   You just broke the userland ABI which must not happen.  at all.  That's
   why userland having older headers is fine.
   
Wrong, the ABI in the 2.5.x IPSEC stuff is not cast in
stone yet.

What about if I extend stuff without breaking the ABI?
How do apps get at the new features?

   That's why we want the glibc-kernheader package.  Or even better
   a package of headers that can be used by the kernel and userland,
   but this would require people to properly sort out kernel header
   functionality like internal structures and prototypes/inlines from
   the actual ABI-relevant contents.  The networking headers currently
   are very bad on this.
   
Yes, this is one way to deal with it.

Actually, if you look, things like include/linux/xfrm.h are excellent
examples of userland compatible kernel headers :-)

  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-07  6:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-06  9:16 [PATCH] 2.4.21-rc1: byteorder.h breaks with __STRICT_ANSI__ defined (trivial) Thomas Horsten
2003-05-06  9:19 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-06  9:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-06  9:47   ` Thomas Horsten
2003-05-06  9:49     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-06 10:03       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-06 14:10         ` Thomas Horsten
2003-05-06 13:06           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-06 15:40             ` Thomas Horsten
2003-05-07  5:50               ` ismail (cartman) donmez
2003-05-07  6:44                 ` Thomas Horsten
2003-05-07  6:45                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-07  5:44                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-07  6:55                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-07  6:59                     ` Thomas Horsten
2003-05-07  5:53                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-06 21:19           ` David Woodhouse
2003-05-07  3:06             ` David S. Miller
2003-05-07  5:26               ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-07  5:07                 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-07  6:20                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-07  5:19                     ` David S. Miller [this message]
2003-05-07  6:28                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-07  5:27                         ` David S. Miller
2003-05-07  6:41                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-07  5:42                             ` David S. Miller
     [not found] <20030506110259.A29633@infradead.org>
2003-05-06 10:24 ` Thomas Horsten
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-06 17:36 Martin Schlemmer
2003-11-06 17:37 ` David S. Miller
2003-11-06 18:32   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-11-06 18:42     ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-11-06 19:37       ` David S. Miller
2003-11-06 20:09         ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-11-06 20:05           ` David S. Miller
2003-11-06 20:29             ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-11-06 20:27               ` David S. Miller
2003-11-06 21:18                 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-11-06 21:18                   ` David S. Miller
2003-11-06 21:59                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-11-06 21:24                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-11-06 20:40               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-06 22:31                 ` David S. Miller
2003-11-06 23:40                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-06 21:21             ` Daniel Jacobowitz

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