Re: Digital Rights Management - An idea (limited lease, renting, expiration, verification) NON HARDWARE BASED.

Re: Digital Rights Management - An idea (limited lease, renting, expiration, verification) NON HARDWARE BASED.

[Dean McEwan]

> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 10:36:43AM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> > Basically, in many states in the USA, you can't sell or
> > lease something that will become worthless or unusable if
> > the seller or leasor no longer exists. 
> 
> CAD software is mostly leased these days.  That would seem to contradict
> your position.  Can you quote some laws which say that leasing software
> is illegal?

Not only that but you can charge less :-)
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Re: Digital Rights Management - An idea (limited lease, renting, expiration, verification) NON HARDWARE BASED.

[Dean McEwan]

> The worst problem with expiring software is that a
> company, operating in good faith, can be forced out
> of business because if it.

  You shouldn't buy software from crappy "on_last_legs" 
companies.

> Lets say that I have a company called BestInTheWorld.
> Because I make the best data-base software in the world,
> a lot of companies purchase a license to use this
> software. The software expires in a year. This is no
> problem because The software renewal is cheap. Soon
> every company in Silicon Valley uses my software.
> The company is going strong and needs to expand. It
> issues public stock.
> 
> Al Qaeda

Lets stop there eh? AL <self snipped>QAEDA ? ANY GOV.T 
would let them buy stock? Controlling Stock ???

 purchases controlling interest in the company
> and closes it. In one year, everybody in Silicon Valley
> is out of work because all the company's software
> stopped working.

Say M$ bought company that has "we can change this license 
at any time
for this version of software" written in its license, M$ 
changes it and BOOM! Software now costs another $400,000
to use... 

My DRM would not allow this... Good Eh?

Also GPL sources wouldn't work in proprietary work(s).
 
> 
> Bad joke? Hell no. Digital thought about short-term
> leasing of their software when they introduced LMF,
> the license management facility. Once Digtal's lawyers
> got involved, a patch was sent to everbody making damn
> sure that the "expiration" capability was removed.
> Nevertheless, FTP Software, that made TCP/IP to DECNET
> sofware, continued to have software that expired.
> 
> Basically, in many states in the USA, you can't sell or
> lease something that will become worthless or unusable if
> the seller or leasor no longer exists. If the renter makes
> a good-faith effort to pay the rent, the renter continues
> to enjoy use of the leased property. Creating property that
> doesn't allow this violates common law.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dick Johnson
> Penguin : Linux version 2.4.20 on an i686 machine (797.90 BogoMips).
> Why is the government concerned about the lunatic fringe? Think about it.
> 

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RE: Digital Rights Management - An idea (limited lease, renting, expiration, verification) NON HARDWARE BASED.

[Riley Williams]

Hi Dean.

 >> Lets say that I have a company called BestInTheWorld.
 >> Because I make the best data-base software in the world,
 >> a lot of companies purchase a license to use this
 >> software. The software expires in a year. This is no
 >> problem because The software renewal is cheap. Soon
 >> every company in Silicon Valley uses my software.
 >> The company is going strong and needs to expand. It
 >> issues public stock.
 >> 
 >> Al Qaeda

 > Lets stop there eh? AL <self snipped>QAEDA ? ANY GOV.T 
 > would let them buy stock? Controlling Stock ???

How would they stop them?

Think about it. Let's say that Joe Bloggs buys stock in the
company. What can you ask from him to prove he isn't buying
for Al Qaeda (or some other equally fanatical group)? After
all, it's hardly likely he'd admit he was doing so.

Best wishes from Riley.
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Re: Digital Rights Management - An idea (limited lease, renting, expiration, verification) NON HARDWARE BASED.

[Dean McEwan]

----- Original Message -----
From: Tomas Szepe <szepe@pinerecords.com>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:12:46 +0200
To: Dean McEwan <dean_mcewan@linuxmail.org>
Subject: Re: Digital Rights Management - An idea (limited lease, renting, expiration, verification) NON HARWARE BASED.

> > [dean_mcewan@linuxmail.org]
> > 
> > E.G. a kernel could refuse to work after one year forcing its users to
> > upgrade their kernel, preventing exploits being left in place, and
> > creators of the prefab kernels in a sticky liable mess.
> 
> Well, I reckon people who have an irresistible temptation to fish
> out their C64 to play Bubble Bobble[1] every time somebody comes
> to visit would have a pretty distinct opinion on this "feature."
 
 Hmm.. I have no problem making it so that Abandonware software is autmatically
 decrypted, however that means a master key system :) and thats a no no in
our GPL world. The key would just me used by everybody :) LOL.

> 
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> Tomas Szepe <szepe@pinerecords.com>
> 
> [1] http://www.bubandbob.com/

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