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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: J?rn Engel <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jmorris@intercode.com.au,
	davem@redhat.com, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Breaking data compatibility with userspace bzlib
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:09:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030620190957.GA19988@gtf.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030620185915.GD28711@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>

On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 08:59:15PM +0200, J?rn Engel wrote:
> Now, the cost of the underlying BWT is O(n) in memory and O(n*ln(n))
> in time.  That given, I consider it odd to use a linear semantic of
> blockSizeXXXX and would prefer an exponential one, as the zlib uses
> here and there.  Thus blockSizeBits would now give the blockSize as
> 1 << blockSizeBits, allowing to go well below 100k, resulting in lower
> memory consumption for some and well above 900k, giving better
> compression ratios.
> 
> 
> Long intro, short question: Jay O Nay?

The big question is whether the bzip2 better compression is actually
useful in a kernel context?  Patches to do bzip2 for initrd, for
example, have been around for ages:

	http://gtf.org/garzik/kernel/files/initrd-bzip2-2.2.13-2.patch.gz

But the compression and decompression overhead is _much_ larger
than gzip.  It was so huge for maximal compression that dialing back
compression reaching a point of diminishing returns rather quickly,
when compared to gzip memory usage and compression.

I talked a bit with the bzip2 author a while ago about memory usage.
He eventually added the capability to only require small blocks
for decompression (64K IIRC?), but there was a significant loss in
compression factor.

So... even in 2003, I really don't know of many (any?) tasks which
would benefit from bzip2, considering the additional memory and
cpu overhead.

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-20 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-20 18:59 [RFC] Breaking data compatibility with userspace bzlib Jörn Engel
2003-06-20 19:09 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-06-20 19:45   ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-20 19:48     ` David Lang
2003-06-20 20:05       ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-20 21:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-20 21:55           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-20 20:27   ` [RFC] Breaking data compatibility with userspace bz2lib Nicholas Wourms
2003-06-20 20:51     ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-20 21:34       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-20 19:45 ` [RFC] Breaking data compatibility with userspace bzlib David S. Miller
2003-06-20 19:56   ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-20 20:23     ` David S. Miller

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