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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>
Cc: acme@conectiva.com.br, cw@f00f.org, torvalds@transmeta.com,
	geert@linux-m68k.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, perex@suse.cz,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GCC speed (was [PATCH] Isapnp warning)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:12:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200306222112.45115.phillips@arcor.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030622103251.158691c3.akpm@digeo.com>

On Sunday 22 June 2003 19:32, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de> wrote:
> > As for compilation speed, yes, that sucks.  I doubt there's any rational
> >  reason for it, but I also agree with the idea that correctness and
> > binary code performance should come first, then the compilation speed
> > issue should be addressed.
>
> No.  Compilation inefficiency directly harms programmer efficiency and the
> quality and volume of code the programmer produces.  These are surely the
> most important things by which a toolchain's usefulness should be judged.
>
> I compile with -O1 all the time and couldn't care the teeniest little bit
> about the performance of the generated code - it just doesn't matter.

True, and then gdb works much better as well.  I was really thinking about 
production quality.  Well, I want to have it all, I wonder if the gcc crew 
could come up with a compile speed optimization switch, which produces sucky 
code but does it in record time.

There are many other ways of improving kernel build speed of course.  One of 
the best was to use Keith Owen's kbuild 2.5, which did an impressive job of 
speeding the build up, especially the incremental stuff that matters most to 
developers.  But alas, it died on the horns of politics.

> Compilation inefficiency is the most serious thing wrong with gcc.

If that's the case then it's a good sign I think.

Regards,

Daniel


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-06-22 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-15 18:36 [PATCH] Isapnp warning Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-06-21 12:31 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-21 14:59   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-06-21 15:04     ` Sean Neakums
2003-06-21 19:51     ` Andrew Morton
2003-06-21 23:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-22  0:11         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-06-22  1:41           ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-06-22  1:43             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-06-22  2:17               ` Andrew Morton
2003-06-22  2:27                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-06-22  2:59                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-06-22  5:50                     ` Herbert Xu
2003-06-22  3:43                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-06-22  4:24                 ` Paul Mackerras
2003-06-22  8:32                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-06-22 13:34                     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-22  5:39                 ` gcc 3.3: largest *and* smallest kernels (was Re: [PATCH] Isapnp warning) Barry K. Nathan
2003-06-22 11:31                   ` Alan Cox
2003-06-22 13:22                 ` GCC speed (was " Daniel Phillips
2003-06-22 17:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-06-22 17:56                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-06-22 18:58                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-22 19:12                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-06-22 19:13                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-06-22 19:32                         ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-06-22 19:51                       ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-22 19:12                     ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2003-06-23  1:05                     ` Larry McVoy
2002-01-04 11:32                       ` Pavel Machek
2003-07-17 10:18                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-07-17 10:23                           ` Jakub Jelinek
2003-07-17 10:27                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-06-22  8:49               ` [PATCH] Isapnp warning Russell King
2003-06-22  8:39             ` Jörn Engel
2003-06-22 14:07   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-22 15:00     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-06-22 19:03 GCC speed (was [PATCH] Isapnp warning) John Bradford
2003-06-22 20:07 John Bradford
2003-06-22 20:27 ` Michael Buesch
2003-06-23  7:40 John Bradford
2003-06-23 13:17 ` Larry McVoy

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