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From: Stewart Smith <stewart@linux.org.au>
To: rmoser <mlmoser@comcast.net>
Cc: "Leonard Milcin Jr." <thervoy@post.pl>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: File System conversion -- ideas
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:15:09 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030701101509.GC3587@cancer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200306291548060930.02159FEE@smtp.comcast.net>

On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 03:48:06PM -0400, rmoser wrote:

> Yeppers.  Also that the eventual goal (at least in  my mind) is to allow
> this to be done on a running r/w filesystem safely, which isn't as tough
> a problem as it sounds.

Yes it is. In fact, it is more of a problem then you think.

Think of this simple scenario:
a script is running that downloads a kernel patch, applies it to a tree,
then renames the directory to $1-$patchname.

Half way through this, during the patch, the backup script comes through
and starts to backup the filesystem.


Now - wipe the drive clean at the end and restore it to a sane state.

Doing live things on storage systems without transactions, snapshots or
whatever you want to call them is tricky at best. resizing is going to 
cause headaches.

-- 
Stewart Smith
Vice President, Linux Australia
http://www.linux.org.au (personal: http://www.flamingspork.com)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-07-01 10:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-29 10:11 File System conversion -- ideas John Bradford
2003-06-29 13:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-06-29 13:50   ` David D. Hagood
2003-06-29 18:31     ` rmoser
2003-06-29 19:55       ` David D. Hagood
2003-06-29 20:05         ` rmoser
2003-06-29 20:41           ` David D. Hagood
2003-06-29 20:53             ` rmoser
2003-06-29 20:22         ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-06-30 16:05     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-30 16:59       ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-06-30 17:04         ` Kevin Corry
2003-06-30 17:37         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-07-01  9:56       ` Stewart Smith
2003-06-29 13:54   ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-06-29 18:45     ` rmoser
2003-06-29 19:37       ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-06-29 19:43         ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-06-29 19:48           ` rmoser
2003-06-30  3:52             ` Horst von Brand
2003-07-01 10:15             ` Stewart Smith [this message]
2003-07-01 14:55               ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-07-01 15:41                 ` Stewart Smith
2003-07-01 16:19                   ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-06-29 19:44         ` rmoser
2003-06-29 19:44         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-06-29 19:46           ` rmoser
2003-06-29 20:02           ` viro
2003-06-29 20:26             ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-06-29 20:31             ` rmoser
2003-07-01 10:01         ` Stewart Smith
2003-06-29 19:28     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-06-29 19:35       ` rmoser
2003-06-29 19:42       ` viro
2003-06-29 19:45         ` rmoser
2003-06-29 20:00           ` viro
2003-06-29 20:19             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-29 20:25               ` viro
2003-06-29 20:45                 ` rmoser
2003-06-29 20:46                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-30  9:13                 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-06-29 20:38               ` rmoser
2003-06-29 20:29             ` rmoser
2003-06-29 20:50               ` Hugo Mills
2003-06-29 21:00                 ` rmoser
2003-06-29 21:10                   ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-29 21:37                   ` Hugo Mills
2003-06-29 21:54                     ` rmoser
2003-06-29 22:25                       ` Hugo Mills
2003-06-29 20:51               ` viro
2003-06-29 21:07                 ` rmoser
2003-06-29 21:08                 ` Chris Friesen
2003-06-30  0:25               ` Jan Harkes
2003-06-30  0:59                 ` rmoser
2003-07-01 20:03             ` Pavel Machek
2003-07-02 14:49               ` Jan Kara
2003-06-29 20:05           ` David D. Hagood
2003-06-29 20:36             ` rmoser
2003-06-30  0:05               ` Richard Braakman
2003-06-30  0:58                 ` rmoser
2003-06-29 21:32           ` Diego Calleja García
2003-06-30 13:26           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-30 13:42             ` Hans Reiser
2003-06-30 13:56               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-07-06 19:30             ` Svein Ove Aas
2003-06-29 18:26 ` rmoser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-07-07  8:43 John Bradford
2003-07-01 16:04 Matt Reuther
2003-07-01 16:13 ` Frank Gevaerts
2003-06-30 14:11 John Bradford
2003-06-30 15:45 ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2003-06-30  8:55 John Bradford
2003-06-30  9:36 ` Hans Reiser
2003-06-30 16:29   ` viro
2003-06-29 21:59 John Bradford
2003-06-29 20:20 John Bradford
2003-06-29 20:44 ` rmoser
2003-06-29 20:06 John Bradford
2003-06-29 18:58 John Bradford
2003-06-29 19:12 ` rmoser
2003-06-29 18:37 John Bradford
2003-06-29 18:48 ` rmoser
2003-06-29 19:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-06-29 16:24 John Bradford
2003-06-29 16:13 John Bradford
2003-06-29 19:16 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-06-29  6:57 rmoser
2003-06-30 13:05 ` Jesse Pollard

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