Hardware supported by the kernel

Hardware supported by the kernel

[Ch & Ph Drapela]

Hi everyone!

As maybe im gonna buy a new pc i would like to know if these components 
are supported by the kernel
- a pentium 4 2.8 GHz with hyprthreading
- an ASUS P4P000Deluxe Mainboard
- Kingston RAM for my mAinboard (th asus one)
- a S-ATA HD
- an ATI Gapiccard
- the other things should work (DVD-Rom and CD RW)

Thanks for an answer!

Yannick

Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[DervishD]

    Hi Yannick :)

 * Ch & Ph Drapela <pcdrap@bluewin.ch> dixit:
> - a pentium 4 2.8 GHz with hyprthreading

    I think that it is...

> - an ATI Gapiccard

    I have an ATI card (128 LT Pro) and it's fully supported. IMHO
all ATI cards are.

> - the other things should work (DVD-Rom and CD RW)

    Y have a Plextor Premium CDrecorder and it works. Any ATAPI DVD
should be supported. See the cdrecord homepage to see supported and
unsupported CD-recorders. I recommend Plextor, anyway.

    Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[Dave Jones]

On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 03:40:29PM +0200, DervishD wrote:

 > > - an ATI Gapiccard
 >     I have an ATI card (128 LT Pro) and it's fully supported. IMHO
 > all ATI cards are.

Depends on your definition of 'supported'. Recent ATI cards[*] will
only work in accelerated 3d using their binary only driver.

		Dave

[*] Except the 9200

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[DervishD]

    Hi Dave :)

 * Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com> dixit:
>  > > - an ATI Gapiccard
>  >     I have an ATI card (128 LT Pro) and it's fully supported. IMHO
>  > all ATI cards are.
> Depends on your definition of 'supported'. Recent ATI cards[*] will
> only work in accelerated 3d using their binary only driver.

    A couple of months ago someone on this list said that ATI no
longer provides information about their graphics cards, so when I say
'supported' I'm speaking of my particular model, that it's really
supported (is a quite old model). When I said 'all ATI cards' I was
talking about older models, because I forgot that ATI no longer
supports Linux.

    My mistake, sorry. BTW: what graphics cards manufacturer currently
supports Linux?. I need to buy a new graphic card for a friend (AGP)
and I don't know what one to buy :(((

    Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[Dave Jones]

On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 11:29:52AM +0200, DervishD wrote:
 > >  > > - an ATI Gapiccard
 > >  >     I have an ATI card (128 LT Pro) and it's fully supported. IMHO
 > >  > all ATI cards are.
 > > Depends on your definition of 'supported'. Recent ATI cards[*] will
 > > only work in accelerated 3d using their binary only driver.
 > 
 >     A couple of months ago someone on this list said that ATI no
 > longer provides information about their graphics cards, so when I say
 > 'supported' I'm speaking of my particular model, that it's really
 > supported (is a quite old model). When I said 'all ATI cards' I was
 > talking about older models, because I forgot that ATI no longer
 > supports Linux.
 > 
 >     My mistake, sorry. BTW: what graphics cards manufacturer currently
 > supports Linux?. I need to buy a new graphic card for a friend (AGP)
 > and I don't know what one to buy :(((

in the performance/gamer end of the market, you're screwed.

ATI -    Radeon 9200 is AGPx8, supported by open driver (Based on R200 core)
         All other current cards need binary only driver.
Nvidia - Binary only for accelerated 3d.
Matrox - Not exactly a speed demon any more in the 3d market. Open
         drivers though. Not sure about Parhelia.
SiS    - Cards like the Xabre are quite cheap, though unsupported,
         though SiS folks did seemto wnat to help at one point, then
         when quiet.
S3     - Again, poorly performing, specs/drivers are out there.


who did I miss ?

		Dave

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[DervishD]

    Hi Dave :)

 * Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com> dixit:
>  >     My mistake, sorry. BTW: what graphics cards manufacturer currently
>  > supports Linux?. I need to buy a new graphic card for a friend (AGP)
>  > and I don't know what one to buy :(((
> in the performance/gamer end of the market, you're screwed.

    I supposed :(( The problem is that this friend have never used
Linux at all, and wants a Knoppix, so any card supported by Knoppix,
both with open and binary only drivers will do. But I would largely
prefer a card with open drivers. I don't feel like supporting closed
hardware with my money (well, my friend's money in this case).

    Speed shouldn't be an issue, since this computer is fairly old,
and the graphics card replacement is just because the PC failed
recently and although we identified the problem (seemed to be the
HD), the graphics card does... well, weird things...

    OTOH, I'm worried because if someday I must replace *my* graphic
card, I want one that gives me speed in 2D, no more. I spend 99% of
my time in the console, so I need... 1D so to say ;))). When I run X
I just want decent performance, not a high-end card. Any card
supported by X with some speed and an open driver will do.

> ATI -    Radeon 9200 is AGPx8, supported by open driver (Based on R200 core)
>          All other current cards need binary only driver.

    Well, if the Radeon 9200 has open driver, it may be the card.

> Nvidia - Binary only for accelerated 3d.

    I will NEVER buy an NVidia. I will NEVER put a binary only driver
in my box.

> Matrox - Not exactly a speed demon any more in the 3d market. Open
>          drivers though. Not sure about Parhelia.

    Speed is not an issue. If a Matrox is open hardware (well, more
or less) it may be a candidate too.

> S3     - Again, poorly performing, specs/drivers are out there.

    S3 are slow cards, generally, but I don't mind. If it works in
text mode I'm done. If it works with X (without bells and whistles,
no KDE maybe, slow window moving, etc...) it may do too. I would like
to see movies under my X, but if I must sacrifice some functionality
in order to support open drivers, I will do.

    Thanks a lot for the info ;)

    Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[Alan Cox]

On Llu, 2003-09-08 at 10:53, Dave Jones wrote:
> SiS    - Cards like the Xabre are quite cheap, though unsupported,
>          though SiS folks did seemto wnat to help at one point, then
>          when quiet.

SiS have also since spun off their graphics division. Someone is porting
the SiS drivers to current DRI at the moment.

> S3     - Again, poorly performing, specs/drivers are out there.

Drivers for 4.2 release by VIA need porting to 4.3

> who did I miss ?

Trident - documentation is public, nobody has tackled a driver

Intel - older stuff is slow, newer onboard video is actually pretty good
and Intel support this stuff seriously. Its not a radeon but it players
cube perfectly well 8) Presumably intel will eventually fuse the CPU and
graphics into one chip.

VIA - XFree 4.2 drivers need porting over to 4.3. Original 4.2 code
provided by VIA. I've got glxgears kind of working but didnt have time
to go further and fix the span bugs and the locking v acceleration.

Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[DervishD]

    Hi Alan :)

 * Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> dixit:
> > who did I miss ?
> Trident - documentation is public, nobody has tackled a driver

    Trident cards are still sold? Here in Spain is difficult to get
one (except a second-hand maybe).

> Intel - older stuff is slow, newer onboard video is actually pretty good
> and Intel support this stuff seriously. Its not a radeon but it players
> cube perfectly well 8) Presumably intel will eventually fuse the CPU and
> graphics into one chip.

    I tested the 810 a time ago. It was not slow (2D at least, didn't
check 3D), but it was buggy (even in Windows, so Linux drivers
weren't blame of this).

    Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[Alan Cox]

On Llu, 2003-09-08 at 15:56, DervishD wrote:
>  * Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> dixit:
> > > who did I miss ?
> > Trident - documentation is public, nobody has tackled a driver
> 
>     Trident cards are still sold? Here in Spain is difficult to get
> one (except a second-hand maybe).

Trident appears in the EPIA (but not EPIA-M) onboard video for one. So
its still around as an embedded item.

> > Intel - older stuff is slow, newer onboard video is actually pretty good
> > and Intel support this stuff seriously. Its not a radeon but it players
> > cube perfectly well 8) Presumably intel will eventually fuse the CPU and
> > graphics into one chip.
> 
>     I tested the 810 a time ago. It was not slow (2D at least, didn't
> check 3D), but it was buggy (even in Windows, so Linux drivers
> weren't blame of this).

With XFree 4.3 810 seems pretty solid 2D/3D nowdays, and the later stuff
830/845/... is also a fair bit faster.

Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[DervishD]

    Hi Alan :)

 * Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> dixit:
> > > Trident - documentation is public, nobody has tackled a driver
> >     Trident cards are still sold? Here in Spain is difficult to get
> > one (except a second-hand maybe).
> Trident appears in the EPIA (but not EPIA-M) onboard video for one. So
> its still around as an embedded item.

    Oh, yes, I didn't remember that, thanks :))

> >     I tested the 810 a time ago. It was not slow (2D at least, didn't
> > check 3D), but it was buggy (even in Windows, so Linux drivers
> > weren't blame of this).
> With XFree 4.3 810 seems pretty solid 2D/3D nowdays, and the later stuff
> 830/845/... is also a fair bit faster.

    Well, then that another candidate. Thanks a lot for the info. How
goes your Welsh ;))?

    Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[insecure]

On Monday 08 September 2003 18:25, DervishD wrote:
> > With XFree 4.3 810 seems pretty solid 2D/3D nowdays, and the later stuff
> > 830/845/... is also a fair bit faster.
>
>     Well, then that another candidate. Thanks a lot for the info. How
> goes your Welsh ;))?

I used to read Alan's diary.

While learning Welsh is not bad per se, writing public diary
in Welsh defeats diary purpose. Bad, bad Alan ;) ;) ;)
--
vda

Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[DervishD]

    Hi VDA :)

 * insecure <insecure@mail.od.ua> dixit:
> > > With XFree 4.3 810 seems pretty solid 2D/3D nowdays, and the later stuff
> > > 830/845/... is also a fair bit faster.
> >     Well, then that another candidate. Thanks a lot for the info. How
> > goes your Welsh ;))?
> I used to read Alan's diary.

    Me too ;)
 
> While learning Welsh is not bad per se, writing public diary
> in Welsh defeats diary purpose. Bad, bad Alan ;) ;) ;)

    Oh, well, it is his diary ;)) I think that he already does enough
for us maintaining the kernel. The diary was a good addenda, but if
he wants to practice his welsh with it, he has the right to do so.
But anyway, bad Alan, bad, bad ;)))))

    Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[jw schultz]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 12:11:12PM +0200, DervishD wrote:
>     Hi VDA :)
> 
>  * insecure <insecure@mail.od.ua> dixit:
> > > > With XFree 4.3 810 seems pretty solid 2D/3D nowdays, and the later stuff
> > > > 830/845/... is also a fair bit faster.
> > >     Well, then that another candidate. Thanks a lot for the info. How
> > > goes your Welsh ;))?
> > I used to read Alan's diary.
> 
>     Me too ;)
>  
> > While learning Welsh is not bad per se, writing public diary
> > in Welsh defeats diary purpose. Bad, bad Alan ;) ;) ;)
> 
>     Oh, well, it is his diary ;)) I think that he already does enough
> for us maintaining the kernel. The diary was a good addenda, but if
> he wants to practice his welsh with it, he has the right to do so.
> But anyway, bad Alan, bad, bad ;)))))
> 
>     Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

No worse than Raúl writing his in Spanish would be.   Welsh
may be a niche but it is a valid niche.  I understand that
the worlds longest running television serial drama (here in
the US we call them soap operas) is in Welsh.  Of course if
it is Welse means i can't read it :( Maybe this will provide
the impetus for babelfish to support Welsh.  I expect Alan
writing his diary in Welsh is good practice so, Good Alan,
good, good :)

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		Remember Cernan and Schmitt

Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[DervishD]

    Hi JW :)

 * jw schultz <jw@pegasys.ws> dixit:
> > > While learning Welsh is not bad per se, writing public diary
> > > in Welsh defeats diary purpose. Bad, bad Alan ;) ;) ;)
> >     Oh, well, it is his diary ;)) I think that he already does enough
> > for us maintaining the kernel. The diary was a good addenda, but if
> > he wants to practice his welsh with it, he has the right to do so.
> > But anyway, bad Alan, bad, bad ;)))))
> No worse than Raúl writing his in Spanish would be.

    In fact that's why I write my free software in english. I really
love my mother language, and I try to write and speak a good spanish
(how did you know I'm spanish-speaking?), but english is more
extended, as far as software is concerned of course. Since in Spain
we have many languages (Catalán, Gallego, Euskera, Valenciano,
Mallorquín, etc...) I have most respect with languages everywhere.
The languages lead to a bit of miscommunication, but lead too to
cultural richness, so I think they're good.

> I expect Alan
> writing his diary in Welsh is good practice so, Good Alan,
> good, good :)

    You're right ;))) But I think Alan is a bad boy because I no
longer can read his diary, and I liked it a lot ;)) I'm planning
learning Gaelic (at some point in the future), and it's not very
different from welsh ;) Seriously, Alan has all the right to write,
speak and whatever more in Welsh, and if I don't understand what he's
saying and I'm interested, rather than forcing him to speak in
spanish I should learn a bit of welsh. But at the end all is a
question of understanding, and the most languages one knows, the most
people will be able to communicate with. And I'm saying all this with
my poor english ;))

    BTW, I think Alan is really a good fellow, I like him ;))

    Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[Pavel Machek]

Hi!

> > I expect Alan
> > writing his diary in Welsh is good practice so, Good Alan,
> > good, good :)
> 
>     You're right ;))) But I think Alan is a bad boy because I no
> longer can read his diary, and I liked it a lot ;)) I'm planning
> learning Gaelic (at some point in the future), and it's not very
> different from welsh ;) Seriously, Alan has all the right to write,

Well, perhaps someone should step up and provide english translation
for Alan's diary? :-)
				Pavel
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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[Henning P. Schmiedehausen]

Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com> writes:

>Matrox - Not exactly a speed demon any more in the 3d market. Open
>         drivers though. Not sure about Parhelia.

LOL. Buying a G550 was the biggest mistake I ever did. DVI-D support
only with a binary only module and still a heavy bug in it (basically
it takes a 90 second break when starting X).

IMHO The best supported 3D gfx chip for Linux comes from nVidia. Yes,
it is binary only and people invented the "TAINTED" flag to report
this, but it is a fast, vendor-supported driver which works fine in
99% of all configurations which are one gfx board, one or two
displays. (yes, I know it has some issues with power management on
laptops). But all other vendors are worse and nvidia at least cares.

If you just want 2D on an VGA, you can basically buy anything starting
at $19.

	Regards
		Henning

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Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[John Stoffel]

Henning> Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com> writes:
>> Matrox - Not exactly a speed demon any more in the 3d market. Open
>> drivers though. Not sure about Parhelia.

Henning> LOL. Buying a G550 was the biggest mistake I ever did. DVI-D
Henning> support only with a binary only module and still a heavy bug
Henning> in it (basically it takes a 90 second break when starting X).

I've got a couple of G200s and a G450 as my main display.  I'm more
interested in wonderfully sharp 2-D display, not so much in 3-D.
Everything I've read says that the Matrox still makese the best 2d
boards...

John

Re: Hardware supported by the kernel

[Henning Schmiedehausen]

If you use one monitor and VGA, yes. But then again, this is the 21st
century. 

I'm using my G550 exclusively for Linux and 2D. And still I need a
proprietary binary module (but noone from LKLM cries wolf because it's a
user space module) to access the DVI-D ports and the second port. 

	Regards
		Henning


On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 20:10, John Stoffel wrote:
> Henning> Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com> writes:
> >> Matrox - Not exactly a speed demon any more in the 3d market. Open
> >> drivers though. Not sure about Parhelia.
> 
> Henning> LOL. Buying a G550 was the biggest mistake I ever did. DVI-D
> Henning> support only with a binary only module and still a heavy bug
> Henning> in it (basically it takes a 90 second break when starting X).
> 
> I've got a couple of G200s and a G450 as my main display.  I'm more
> interested in wonderfully sharp 2-D display, not so much in 3-D.
> Everything I've read says that the Matrox still makese the best 2d
> boards...
> 
> John
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