From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: andrea@kernel.org
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@debian.org>,
Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com.br>
Subject: Re: log-buf-len dynamic
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:29:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030924022948.GA6496@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030924020409.GL16314@velociraptor.random>
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 04:04:09AM +0200, andrea@kernel.org wrote:
> > What we expected in return was the same understanding.
>
> that is not accurate, you also asked us to giveup the freedom of
> development in your area.
If you were actually doing some significant development then maybe I'd
respect you. But you aren't. So I don't. You don't have the slightest
understanding in this area, you've proved that beyond all reasonable
doubt. So you are just complaining about something you don't understand.
I truly hope you follow in the footsteps of others who got pissed at the
BK licensing and try to implement a replacement. BK makes VM systems
seem like child's play. Centralized systems like CVS are child's play.
Distributed systems like BK actually have to address all the problems
that CVS ignores. Those problems are really hard. Not because they are
so hard (even though they are), but because there are so many of them.
It may be an eye opener to you if you realized that most of the problems
that the researchers are discussing about distributed file systems, those
are problems that we have solved. Computer science research is behind us.
No kidding. Go get your best and bring 'em on, we'll take the challenge.
There are at least a dozen excellent PhD theses in BK. And those are the
ones I can think of at the end of a very long tiring day.
If you understood that you'd understand why I am so unhappy with you.
We've bent over backwards to give you what you need and you still don't
understand what we have given you. You think it is something that you
can fix in a few days of hacking.
I'm reminded of something Peter Gutmann said recently:
Whenever someone thinks that they can replace SSL/SSH with something
much better that they designed this morning over coffee, their
computer speakers should generate some sort of penis-shaped sound
wave and plunge it repeatedly into their skulls until they achieve
enlightenment.
Change "SSL/SSH" to "useful source mangement" and it makes the point.
I hope your skull hurts. It should. Enlightenment is then forthcoming.
--
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Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-09-24 2:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20030923142706.54b2428a.davem@redhat.com>
2003-09-23 21:53 ` log-buf-len dynamic Linus Torvalds
2003-09-23 22:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 22:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24 0:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24 1:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-24 2:04 ` andrea
2003-09-24 2:29 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-09-24 2:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24 3:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-24 3:31 ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-24 3:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-24 3:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24 4:12 ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-24 21:11 ` yodaiken
2003-09-24 13:09 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-24 18:56 ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-24 3:46 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24 4:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-24 4:06 ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-24 2:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24 2:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24 3:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24 3:28 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24 3:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-24 3:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24 4:26 ` viro
2003-09-24 3:42 ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-24 3:11 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-24 14:43 ` Roman Zippel
2003-09-25 4:08 ` Miles Bader
2003-09-25 4:20 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-25 17:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-25 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-25 17:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-25 18:22 ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-25 18:33 ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-09-25 18:36 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 19:02 ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-25 19:41 ` OT go to gnu-arch-users for these matters (Re: log-buf-len dynamic) Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-25 18:28 ` log-buf-len dynamic Charles Cazabon
2003-09-25 18:29 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 20:15 ` David Lang
2003-09-25 20:27 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-29 8:56 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-29 11:24 ` John Bradford
2003-09-29 12:30 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-29 15:22 ` John Bradford
2003-09-29 13:20 ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-29 13:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-29 15:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-29 18:21 ` Hua Zhong
2003-09-29 15:07 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 19:23 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-25 17:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-09-25 19:28 ` Erik Andersen
2003-09-25 17:36 ` Dave Jones
2003-09-25 18:34 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 18:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-25 18:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-25 20:02 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-25 23:36 ` Pau Aliagas
2003-09-26 2:25 ` Miles Bader
2003-09-26 4:38 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-26 17:09 ` John Goerzen
2003-09-24 7:56 ` Pau Aliagas
2003-09-26 13:24 Samium Gromoff
2003-09-26 14:49 ` viro
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-25 19:43 Mudama, Eric
2003-09-24 17:39 Ken Ryan
2003-09-22 19:48 Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 1:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-09-23 21:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 4:28 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 12:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 14:06 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 14:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 15:01 ` Jan Evert van Grootheest
2003-09-23 15:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 16:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 16:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 16:56 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
2003-09-23 17:40 ` Tom Zanussi
2003-09-23 17:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 21:37 ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-23 22:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-24 0:15 ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-24 0:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 16:06 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 16:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 19:02 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 22:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 23:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 23:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-23 23:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2003-09-23 12:46 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-09-25 13:40 ` marcelo
2003-09-26 20:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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