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From: Maneesh Soni <maneesh@in.ibm.com>
To: Patrick Mochel <mochel@osdl.org>
Cc: Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@us.ibm.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/6] Backing Store for sysfs
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:01:57 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031007043157.GA9036@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310061321440.985-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 01:29:20PM -0700, Patrick Mochel wrote:
> 
> Uh, that's about the same thing I suggested, though probably not as 
> concisely: 
> 
> "As I said before, I don't know the right solution, but the directions to 
> look in are related to attribute groups. Attributes definitely consume the 
> most amount of memory (as opposed to the kobject hierachy), so delaying 
> their creation would help, hopefully without making the interface too 
> awkward. 

Ok.. attributes do consume maximum in sysfs. In the system I mentioned
leaf dentries are about 65% of the total.

> You can also use the assumption that an attribute group exists for all the 
> kobjects in a kset, and that a kobject knows what kset it belongs to. And

That's not correct... kobject corresponding to /sys/block/hda/queue 
doesnot know which kset it belongs to and what are its attributes. Same
for /sys/block/hda/queue/iosched.

> that eventually, all attributes should be added as part of an attribute 
> group.."
> 
> Attributes are the leaf entries, and they don't need to always exist. But, 
> you have easy access to them via the attribute groups of the ksets the 
> kobjects belong to. 
> 

Having backing store just for leaf dentries should be fine. But there is 
_no_ easy access for attributes. For this also I see some data change required 
as of now. The reasons are 
 - not all kobjects belong to a kset. For example, /sys/block/hda/queue
 - not all ksets have attribute groups
  
I don't see any generic rule for finding attributes or attribute group
of a kobject. Such random-ness forced me to add new fields to kobject. The
sysfs picture doesnot show the kset-kobject relationship. For example
kobject corresponding /sys/devices/system does not belong to devices_subsystem.
and it is not in the devices_subsys->list. There was no other way except to
build new hierarchy info in the kobject. 

What are people's opinion about the way I have linked attributes and
attributes_group to the kobject. I could not link "struct attribute" and
"struct attriubte_group" directly to kobject because these are generally 
statically alocated and many kobjects will have the same attribute structure.
and are asigned to multiple kobjects 

Thanks
Maneesh
-- 
Maneesh Soni
Linux Technology Center, 
IBM Software Lab, Bangalore, India
email: maneesh@in.ibm.com
Phone: 91-80-5044999 Fax: 91-80-5268553
T/L : 9243696

  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-07  4:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-06  8:59 [RFC 0/6] Backing Store for sysfs Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06  9:00 ` [RFC 1/6] sysfs-kobject.patch Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06  9:00   ` [RFC 2/6] sysfs-mount.patch Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06  9:01     ` [RFC 3/6] sysfs-file.patch Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06  9:01       ` [RFC 4/6] sysfs-symlink.patch Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06  9:02         ` [RFC 5/6] sysfs-attr_group.patch Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06  9:03           ` [RFC 6/6] sysfs-dir.patch Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06 13:43     ` [RFC 2/6] sysfs-mount.patch viro
2003-10-07  7:17       ` Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06 13:41   ` [RFC 1/6] sysfs-kobject.patch viro
2003-10-06 16:16   ` Greg KH
2003-10-06 17:41     ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-10-06 17:44       ` Greg KH
2003-10-06 16:08 ` [RFC 0/6] Backing Store for sysfs Greg KH
2003-10-06 17:31   ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-10-06 17:38     ` Greg KH
2003-10-06 18:01       ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-10-06 18:09         ` Greg KH
2003-10-06 18:31           ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-10-06 18:34             ` Greg KH
2003-10-07  9:08               ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-10-06 18:44 ` Patrick Mochel
2003-10-06 19:27   ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-10-06 19:30     ` viro
2003-10-06 20:01       ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-10-06 20:34         ` viro
2003-10-07  4:47       ` Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06 19:33     ` Patrick Mochel
2003-10-06 20:26       ` Dipankar Sarma
2003-10-06 20:29         ` Patrick Mochel
2003-10-07  4:31           ` Maneesh Soni [this message]
2003-10-07  5:25             ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-07  7:17               ` Maneesh Soni
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-10-06 12:34 Christian Borntraeger
2003-10-06 17:38 Christian Borntraeger
2003-10-06 17:41 ` Greg KH
2003-10-06 18:00   ` Kevin P. Fleming
2003-10-06 18:11     ` Greg KH
2003-10-06 18:23       ` Kevin P. Fleming
2003-10-06 18:30         ` Greg KH
2003-10-06 18:38           ` Kevin P. Fleming
2003-10-07  8:30           ` Maneesh Soni
2003-10-06 18:19 Christian Borntraeger
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     [not found]   ` <DHv1.5Ir.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <DHEU.7ET.19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <DHY6.3c0.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <DI7S.58w.13@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-06 19:01           ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-10-06 19:10             ` Greg KH
2003-10-07  0:15               ` Pascal Schmidt

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