From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263388AbTJKTu3 (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:50:29 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263393AbTJKTu3 (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:50:29 -0400 Received: from vladimir.pegasys.ws ([64.220.160.58]:5393 "EHLO vladimir.pegasys.ws") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263388AbTJKTuW (ORCPT ); Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:50:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:50:15 -0700 From: jw schultz To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: 2.7 thoughts Message-ID: <20031011195015.GA8724@pegasys.ws> Mail-Followup-To: jw schultz , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20031009165723.43ae9cb5.skraw@ithnet.com> <3F864F82.4050509@longlandclan.hopto.org> <200310100830.03216.kevcorry@us.ibm.com> <20031010182918.GF1084@marowsky-bree.de> <20031011034951.GE4716@pegasys.ws> <20031011132422.GI1084@marowsky-bree.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031011132422.GI1084@marowsky-bree.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Message-Flag: The contents of this message may cause sleeplessness, irritability, loss of appetite, anxiety, depression, or other psychological disorders. Consult your doctor if these symptoms persist. Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 03:24:22PM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2003-10-10T20:49:51, > jw schultz said: > > > I concur with one caviat. 0+1 has the advantage of > > extendability that doesn't exist with 1+0. > > Right, this annoying complicated approach you describe can be done much > easier with 1+0. With [EL]VMS?[12] you can simply create a new raid1 set > and add it as a physical volume to the volume group and then extend the > LVs accordingly. (I am unsure whether you can add a new disk to a raid0 > set if you don't want to use a volume manager, but if it's not > currently, it sounds fairly straightforward to add.) > > Your approach with breaking the mirrors etc includes prolonged periods > of no redundancy and makes me shiver. I shivered as i wrote it. I don't consider the periods of non-redundancy to be prolonged but they are periods of highest stress on the drives so they are more likely to fail (even sans Murphy) while doing that than they would otherwise. And if you look back at my closing statement you'll see that i don't recommend it. I only site it as a possibility. Extendibility is i think the only rationalised excuse for 0+1 when 1+0 is available. I consider it a rationalisation because by the time you need to extend an array the value of same-size disks will be questionable. > [book flogging] > I am going to recommend reading > some linux LVM and RAID howtos ;-) > > So, I think, as far as RAID and Volume Management is concerned, Linux > does pretty well. There's some advanced and fancy stuff missing (>2 > mirrors, online consistency check, etc), but the basics are pretty well > done. Absolutely. -- ________________________________________________________________ J.W. Schultz Pegasystems Technologies email address: jw@pegasys.ws Remember Cernan and Schmitt