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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>, G?bor L?n?rt <lgb@lgb.hu>,
	Stuart Longland <stuartl@longlandclan.hopto.org>,
	Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
	Fabian.Frederick@prov-liege.be, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.7 thoughts
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:14:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031012201419.GA664@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031010150122.GD727@holomorphy.com>

Hi!

> > Perhaps I've naive here, but - with hot-pluggable CPU machines, do you not
> > de-activate the CPU through software first, before pulling the CPU out, at
> > which point it is not in use?
> 
> Well, you deleted my reply, but never mind that.
> 
> This obviously can't work unless the kernel gets some kind of warning.
       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Userspace and kernel register state, once lost that way, can't be
> recovered, and if tasks are automatically suspended (e.g. cpu dumps to
> somewhere and a miracle occurs), you'll deadlock if the kernel was in
> a non-preemptible critical section at the time.

Of course it _can_ work without warning, it would just be *extremely*
hard to do within linux. [When you have big enough cluster, you have
to deal with nodes failing randomly; when you get big enough SMP,
you'll have same issue].

One [stupid] method to handle this would be to do periodic system
snapshots, and if cpu fails rollback and try again without that
cpu. You'll get nasty issues with network (duplicated packets on tx),
and funny stuff on console, but certainly way to make this work
exists.

								Pavel
-- 
When do you have a heart between your knees?
[Johanka's followup: and *two* hearts?]

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-12 20:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-09  8:08 2.7 thoughts Frederick, Fabian
2003-10-09  8:55 ` John Bradford
2003-10-09  9:45   ` mario noioso
2003-10-09 11:58 ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-10-09 14:57   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-10-10  6:19     ` Stuart Longland
2003-10-10  6:30       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10  7:30         ` YoshiyaETO
2003-10-10  7:40           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10  8:47             ` YoshiyaETO
2003-10-10  9:09               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 10:26                 ` YoshiyaETO
2003-10-10 10:50                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 10:55                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 10:51       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-10-10 14:07         ` Stuart Longland
2003-10-10 14:27           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-10-10 14:35           ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-10-10 14:47             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 14:48               ` Mark Mielke
2003-10-10 15:01                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 15:50                   ` Mark Mielke
2003-10-10 16:35                     ` Chris Friesen
2003-10-10 16:44                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-12 20:14                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2003-10-10 15:12               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-10-10 15:21                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 18:03               ` Tim Hockin
2003-10-10 18:29                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-10-10 18:56                   ` Tim Hockin
2003-10-10 23:40                     ` Rusty Russell
2003-10-15 19:15           ` Anton Blanchard
2003-10-10 13:30       ` Kevin Corry
2003-10-10 18:29         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-10-11  3:49           ` jw schultz
2003-10-11 13:24             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-10-11 19:50               ` jw schultz
2003-10-10 17:12       ` Matt Simonsen
2003-10-10 20:59   ` Pedro Larroy
2003-10-09 18:17 ` Greg KH
2003-10-09 19:07 ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-10-09 11:56 Svetoslav Slavtchev
2003-10-09 12:44 Xose Vazquez Perez
2003-10-09 13:17 Frederick, Fabian
2003-10-09 13:19 ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-09 13:50 ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-10-09 13:52 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-10-10 19:01 Zwane Mwaikambo

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