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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ide write barrier support
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:22:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200310231822.36023.phillips@arcor.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031021054044.GC1128@suse.de>

On Tuesday 21 October 2003 07:40, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21 2003, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > Maybe what you're saying is, there are only two ways to deal with IDE
> > drives with non-disablable writeback cache:
> >
> >   1) flush the cache on every write
> >   2) Implement write barriers, add them to all the journalling
> > filesystems, and flush only on the write barrier
> >
> > and (1) is just too slow.  Correct?
>
> Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. It's not just that, though.
> Completely disabling write back caching on IDE drives totally kills
> performance typically, they are just not meant to be driven this way.

OK, this is still experimental development in the middle of the stability 
freeze in order to fix a performance bug, but that's a tradition anyway so 
let me join in.

I'm specifically interested in working out the issues related to stacked 
virtual devices, and there are many.  Let me start with an easy one.

Consider a multipath virtual device that is doing load balancing and wants to 
handle write barriers efficiently, not just allow the downstream queues to 
drain before allowing new writes.  This device wants to send a write barrier 
to each of the downstream devices, however, we have only one write request to 
carry the barrier bit.  How do you recommend handling this situation?

Regards,

Daniel


  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-23 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-13 14:08 [PATCH] ide write barrier support Jens Axboe
2003-10-13 15:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-13 15:35   ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-13 15:37     ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-13 22:39 ` Matthias Andree
2003-10-14  0:16   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 10:36     ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-16 10:46       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 10:48         ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-13 23:07 ` Andrew Morton
2003-10-14  6:48   ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-15  3:40 ` Greg Stark
2003-10-16  7:10   ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-20 17:10 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-10-20 19:56   ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-20 23:46     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-10-21  5:40       ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-23 16:22         ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2003-10-23 16:23           ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-23 17:20             ` Daniel Phillips
2003-10-23 23:21               ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-26 21:06                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-10-27 10:29                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-10-27 21:35                     ` Daniel Phillips
2003-10-24  9:36               ` Helge Hafting
2003-10-26 15:38                 ` Daniel Phillips
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-10-16 16:51 Mudama, Eric
2003-10-16 20:43 ` Greg Stark
2003-10-17  6:44   ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-17  6:46 ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-16 20:51 Mudama, Eric
2003-10-17  6:48 ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-17 16:07 Mudama, Eric
2003-10-17 18:08 ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-17 17:59 Manfred Spraul
2003-10-17 18:06 ` Jens Axboe
2003-10-21  0:47   ` Matthias Andree
2003-10-17 18:42 Mudama, Eric
     [not found] <IXzh.61g.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-21 19:24 ` Anton Ertl

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