From: Joseph Pingenot <trelane@digitasaru.net>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>, Dax Kelson <dax@gurulabs.com>,
Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
andersen@codepoet.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:34:19 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031030013418.GD3094@digitasaru.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16288.24913.844699.956689@notabene.cse.unsw.edu.au>
>From Neil Brown on Thursday, 30 October, 2003:
>On Wednesday October 29, trelane@digitasaru.net wrote:
>> Regardless, it's an interesting idea, and one which might be fruitful.
>> I give you then two bits: our treatment of the tech and the reality of their
>> tech:
>> 00: ISVAPOR | TAKESEROUSLY
>> 01: ISVAPOR | IGNORE
>> 10: NOTVAPOR | TAKESERIOUSLY
>> 11: NOTVAPOR | IGNORE
>> If we come up with a working implementation and it *is* just vaporware, then
>> we're ahead.
>> We're way ahead.
>> If we merely dismiss it as vaporware and it turns out to be,
>> no net change.
>...snip...
>> Conclusion: best to take it seriously and work on it; those two cases
>> are the most optimal.
>Sounds like the same argument that is used in "Pascal's Wager" for
>belief in God, and I seriously don't think the argument works in
>either case. (note that I'm not making a statement about the
>conclusion in either case, only about the arguement).
"Sounds like?" Sure. It kind of does, now that you mention it.
Regradless of the similarities and the validity of Pascal's argument, my
argument, I think, stands. I outlined the four potential futures. We
have control over only one bit, Microsoft has the other. The tech sounds
nice, it is an interesting avenue to persue, Pascal aside.
I don't see any reason why we *shouldn't* look at the problem and try to
do it. What reasons do you see for not persuing the problem to its
inevitible implementation?
I see big pitfalls in *not* looking at the problem. In what respect are
the pitfalls of ignoring it as outlined by me invalid?
mfG,
Joseph
--
Joseph===============================================trelane@digitasaru.net
"Asked by CollabNet CTO Brian Behlendorf whether Microsoft will enforce its
patents against open source projects, Mundie replied, 'Yes, absolutely.'
An audience member pointed out that many open source projects aren't
funded and so can't afford legal representation to rival Microsoft's. 'Oh
well,' said Mundie. 'Get your money, and let's go to court.'
Microsoft's patents only defensive? http://swpat.ffii.org/players/microsoft
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2003-10-29 8:50 Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:42 ` Erik Andersen
2003-10-29 23:03 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:25 ` Dax Kelson
2003-10-30 0:20 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 0:54 ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30 1:34 ` Joseph Pingenot [this message]
2003-10-30 2:54 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-10-30 2:58 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-10-30 3:16 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 5:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-30 5:56 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-30 3:16 ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30 3:39 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 10:27 ` Thorsten Körner
2003-10-30 21:28 ` jlnance
2003-10-30 22:29 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-10-31 2:03 ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31 1:04 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-10-30 2:09 ` Alex Belits
2003-10-30 3:12 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 4:21 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-31 16:42 ` Timothy Miller
2003-10-31 19:15 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 9:52 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30 4:06 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30 1:52 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30 2:03 ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 9:23 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30 3:57 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30 4:08 ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-30 13:46 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-31 4:50 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-10-30 7:33 ` Diego Calleja García
2003-10-30 8:43 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30 8:05 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 8:17 ` Wichert Akkerman
2003-10-30 11:59 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 9:14 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30 9:55 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 17:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30 19:23 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 20:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31 7:40 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 19:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31 20:47 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 13:59 ` Herman
2003-10-31 21:23 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-01 18:30 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 21:08 ` David S. Miller
2003-11-02 21:42 ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-03 12:42 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-11-03 16:58 ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-04 8:13 ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-05 13:51 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-05 2:07 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 11:01 ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-10-31 13:52 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-30 11:21 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-30 7:25 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-10-30 8:10 ` Hans Reiser
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2003-11-03 10:55 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-04 8:10 ` Hans Reiser
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2003-10-30 11:10 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-10-30 17:23 ` Alex Belits
2003-10-31 1:46 ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31 1:57 ` Philippe Troin
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2003-10-30 12:04 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
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2003-10-30 12:16 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
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2003-11-02 13:11 Brian Beattie
2003-11-02 17:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 19:35 ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 20:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 20:54 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 21:01 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 22:06 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-04 8:47 ` Michael Clark
2003-11-04 12:47 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-04 14:02 ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:55 ` Roland Dreier
2003-11-04 0:35 ` Daniel B.
2003-11-04 14:05 ` Brian Beattie
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