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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>,
	Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:52:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031030015212.GD8689@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031029224230.GA32463@codepoet.org>

Keep in mind that just because Windows does thing a certain way
doesn't mean we have to provide the same functionality in exactly the
same way.

Also keep in mind that Microsoft very deliberately blurs what they do
in their "kernel" versus what they provide via system libraries (i.e.,
API's provided via their DLL's, or shared libraries).

At some level what they have done can be very easily replicated by
having a userspace database which is tied to the filesystem so you can
do select statements to search on metadata assocated with files.  We
can do this simply by associating UUID's to files, and storing the
file metadata in a MySQL database which can be searched via
appropriate userspace libraries which we provide.

Please do **not** assume that just because of the vaporware press
releases released by Microsoft that (a) they have pushed an SQL Query
optimizer into the kernel, or that (b) even if they did, we should
follow their bad example and attempt to do the same.  

There are multiple ways of skinning this particular cat, and we don't
need to blindly follow Microsoft's design mistakes.

Fortunately, I have enough faith in Linus Torvalds' taste that I'm not
particularly worried what would happen if someone were to send him a
patch that attempted to cram MySQL or Postgres into the guts of the
Linux kernel....  although I would like to watch when someone proposes
such a thing!

						- Ted

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-10-30  1:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-10-29  8:50 Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:42 ` Erik Andersen
2003-10-29 23:03   ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-29 22:25     ` Dax Kelson
2003-10-30  0:20       ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  0:54         ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30  1:34           ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  2:54             ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-10-30  2:58               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-10-30  3:16               ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  5:28                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-30  5:56                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-10-30  3:16             ` Neil Brown
2003-10-30  3:39               ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30 10:27             ` Thorsten Körner
2003-10-30 21:28             ` jlnance
2003-10-30 22:29               ` Måns Rullgård
2003-10-31  2:03                 ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31  1:04               ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-10-30  2:09         ` Alex Belits
2003-10-30  3:12           ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  4:21             ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-31 16:42               ` Timothy Miller
2003-10-31 19:15                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  9:52             ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30  4:06           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30  1:52   ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2003-10-30  2:03     ` Joseph Pingenot
2003-10-30  9:23       ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-30  3:57     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-10-30  4:08       ` Larry McVoy
2003-10-30 13:46       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-31  4:50       ` Stephen Satchell
2003-10-30  7:33     ` Diego Calleja García
2003-10-30  8:43       ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30  8:05     ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  8:17       ` Wichert Akkerman
2003-10-30 11:59         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30  9:14       ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-10-30  9:55         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 17:48       ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-30 19:23         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-30 20:31           ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31  7:40             ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 19:30               ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-31 20:47                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 13:59                   ` Herman
2003-10-31 21:23                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-01 18:30                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 21:08                   ` David S. Miller
2003-11-02 21:42                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-03 12:42                 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-11-03 16:58                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-04  8:13                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-11-05 13:51                       ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-05  2:07                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-10-31 11:01         ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-10-31 13:52           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-10-30 11:21     ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-10-30  7:25 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-10-30  8:10   ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] ` <200311011731.10052.ioe-lkml@rameria.de>
     [not found]   ` <3FA3FF46.7010309@namesys.com>
2003-11-03 10:55     ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-04  8:10       ` Hans Reiser
     [not found] <LUlv.31e.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <M7iG.41B.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <MagC.82U.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <Maqe.8l3.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 11:10       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-10-30 17:23         ` Alex Belits
2003-10-31  1:46           ` Daniel B.
2003-10-31  1:57             ` Philippe Troin
     [not found]     ` <Mcig.2uf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <Mcs2.2FJ.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:04         ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
     [not found]     ` <Mg2B.7wf.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <Mh8n.BT.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <MhLf.1pF.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-30 12:16           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-02 13:11 Brian Beattie
2003-11-02 17:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 19:35   ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:17     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 20:23       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 20:54         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-03 21:01           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-03 22:06             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-04  8:47           ` Michael Clark
2003-11-04 12:47             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-04 14:02           ` Brian Beattie
2003-11-03 20:55         ` Roland Dreier
2003-11-04  0:35     ` Daniel B.
2003-11-04 14:05       ` Brian Beattie

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