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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: kernel.bkbits.net off the air
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:41:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031110234108.GG6834@x30.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FAFEA34.7090005@zytor.com>

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:42:44AM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Good grief.  This is messy as hell, and really interferes rather badly
> with the whole kernel.org mirror setup.

allowing coherent checkouts from the mirrors too is an interesting
matter, I believe I've a solution for it, but it obviously requires a
special script to spread the mirror of /pub/scm. However pserver is also
not being mirrored right now, and rsync is still more efficient (and it
carries all the info, not just a certain local copy), so even w/o
mirror-coherency it would be better.

> I guess the "best" solution is to use LVM atomic snapshots, and only
> allow rsync off the atomic snapshot.  That way any particular rsync
> session would always be consistent.  That's a *HUGE* amount of work,
> though, and still doesn't solve the mirrors issue -- I don't control
> what the mirrors run.  On the other hand, I don't know how many mirror
> sites actually mirror /pub/scm since it's not a requirement.

I'm unsure how you can leave an rsync running on the old snapshot and
the new forked off ones running in the new snapshot. as for the mirror
issues it should be possible to make it work like this:

1) increase file1 on the mirror
2) read file2 on the master and store it on the userspace stack
3) copy the tree from master to mirror
4) read file1 on the master and compare it with file2 on the stack
5) if they're different goto 2 after a delay
6) increase file2 on the mirror

basically those sequence numbers should not be copied, they should be
completely separated, each server exporting the tree will have its own
sequence numbers. ideally the master could be at sequence number 1000
and the mirror could be at sequence number 100, depends on the frequency
of the mirror sync and the age of the mirror. the mirror could fetch
multiple updats at once and its sequence number would advance slower, or
it could sync more frequently than there are updates on the server and
its sequence number would advance more quickly than the master.

(for simplicity I'm using the two sequence number model, but clearly the
above can be easily converted to the single sequence number model, and
infact that's preferable since having a single sequence number is
cleaner from a filesystem maintainance point of view, both models are
functionally equivalent)

  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-10 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-07  5:10 kernel.bkbits.net off the air Larry McVoy
2003-11-07  9:53 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-11-09 15:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-09 15:25   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-09 15:42     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-09 16:25       ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-10  1:21         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 13:26       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-10 16:49         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 16:57           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-10 17:54             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 17:59               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10 18:27                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 18:37                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-10 18:52                     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 19:08                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10 19:23                       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 19:31                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-10 19:42                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10 23:41                           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2003-11-11 15:26                             ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-11  3:10                           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11  3:25                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-11  3:48                           ` jw schultz
2003-11-11  4:03                             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11  7:34                             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11 15:00                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14  5:13                         ` Andrew Pimlott
2003-11-14 14:01                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14 14:53                             ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 15:28                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14 18:20                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10 18:37                   ` David Roundy
2003-11-10 18:46                   ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-09 19:28     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10  1:59       ` Matt Mackall
2003-11-10  2:38         ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found] <fa.na6uip6.p2erhm@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.dbkbts9.1k7ohhd@ifi.uio.no>
2003-11-11  4:00   ` walt
2003-11-11  7:22     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11  7:37       ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-11  7:47         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11 15:04         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-12 21:35           ` Benoit Poulot-Cazajous
2003-11-13 14:53             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-13 15:23               ` Andreas Schwab
2003-11-13 16:09                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-13 16:29                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-13 16:39                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-13 22:09                 ` Benoit Poulot-Cazajous
2003-11-11 15:02     ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found] <fa.eto0cvm.1v20528@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.onl48uv.1tmeb21@ifi.uio.no>
2003-11-11 14:14   ` walt
2003-11-11 14:38     ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-11 15:05       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-11 19:43       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-11 20:21         ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-11 20:38           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11 23:52           ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-12  0:19             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-13 10:10             ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-13 16:27               ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-13 16:43                 ` Mark Mielke
2003-11-13 17:14                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-13 17:20                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14  3:01                     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-13 18:21                   ` Tupshin Harper
2003-11-14  7:14                     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-11-14  9:48                       ` Tupshin Harper
2003-11-14  9:56                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-11-14 21:51                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-11-14 22:55                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-11-13 19:17                 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-13 19:28                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-13 20:57                     ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-13 21:17                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-11-14 14:54                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 15:00                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 16:24                         ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-14 16:46                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 17:34                             ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-14 17:43                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 18:17                                 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-16  5:12                                 ` Sven Dowideit
2003-11-18 15:30                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-18 18:30                                     ` Ben Collins
2003-11-18 18:42                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-18 22:53                                         ` Sven Dowideit
2003-11-19  0:24                                         ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-19  0:38                                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-11-19 10:26                                             ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-19  0:49                                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-19 10:45                                             ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-18 18:42                                       ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-14 16:35                         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-14 16:48                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 17:03                             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-14 17:04                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 17:08                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-14 17:10                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-16  4:57                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-13 21:54                     ` Eli Carter
2003-11-13 23:32                 ` Daniel Egger
2003-11-14  9:56                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-14 11:38                     ` Daniel Egger
2003-11-15  3:02                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-15  3:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-15  3:41                           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-15  3:49                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-15  4:04                               ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-15 21:09                         ` Daniel Egger
2003-11-18  9:59                 ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-18 15:01                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-13  0:45           ` Ryan Anderson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-13 12:59 Samium Gromoff
2003-11-13 14:44 ` Jan Harkes
2003-11-15  1:06 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-11-15  1:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-15 10:53   ` Frank Cusack
     [not found] <fa.gj5f2rq.1u42v9u@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.d7qik9h.1q644ip@ifi.uio.no>
2003-11-17  0:49   ` walt
     [not found] <QHxm.193.21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <ROZW.3X0.17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <RPt5.4TS.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <RQ5t.69U.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <RQf8.6tb.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]             ` <TiVJ.4ko.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <Tj5w.4yi.25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-11-18 19:38                 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-11-19 14:49                   ` Larry McVoy

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