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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Andrew Walrond <andrew@walrond.org>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Ben Collins <bcollins@debian.org>,
	Sven Dowideit <svenud@ozemail.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: kernel.bkbits.net off the air
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:49:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031119004901.GA5070@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200311190024.51548.andrew@walrond.org>

On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 12:24:51AM +0000, Andrew Walrond wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 Nov 2003 6:42 pm, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > I'm curious as to why you would think this is better than the CVS gateway.
> > The CVS gateway is actually a really nice thing.  The whiners think we
> > have somehow hamstrung the data in the gateway but that's only because
> > they haven't looked at the data, if they had done a careful comparison
> > then they'd know it's all in there.
> 
> Since you've already done all the work for bk2cvs, why not add the 
> functionality to bkd which would allow a simple client to do
> 
> 	lobobk cvsclone
> and
> 	lobobk cvspull

Because the translation process is hugely CPU intensive.  It takes
something like 6 hours to do the 2.5 tree on 2.2Ghz Athlon with a gig
of ram.  And it uses every bit of that ram, that's my desktop machine
and _everything_ is paged out when I come in in the morning.

I agreed to the BK2CVS stuff as a way of ensuring that people had the
data in a format that they could use without BK and was useful.  I'm
willing to do that for each main tree of each major project (i.e., if
XFree86 or something like that moved to BK we'd agree to do the CVS
conversion so that there was no lockin).

But doing it for every branch of every tree is nuts unless you are 
donating a 16 way with a zillion gigs of ram.  And a zillion disk
arms, this thrashes the heck out of the disk.

> And when you've finished that, I'd like a moon rocket please. GPL, of 
> course ;)

Yeah, and I'd like all the open source developers of the world to acknowledge
that I'm a good guy and I'm trying to help.  In writing, of course ;)
-- 
---
Larry McVoy              lm at bitmover.com          http://www.bitmover.com/lm

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-19  0:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.eto0cvm.1v20528@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.onl48uv.1tmeb21@ifi.uio.no>
2003-11-11 14:14   ` kernel.bkbits.net off the air walt
2003-11-11 14:38     ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-11 15:05       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-11 19:43       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-11 20:21         ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-11 20:38           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11 23:52           ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-12  0:19             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-13 10:10             ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-13 16:27               ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-13 16:43                 ` Mark Mielke
2003-11-13 17:14                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-13 17:20                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14  3:01                     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-13 18:21                   ` Tupshin Harper
2003-11-14  7:14                     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-11-14  9:48                       ` Tupshin Harper
2003-11-14  9:56                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-11-14 21:51                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-11-14 22:55                       ` Roman Zippel
2003-11-13 19:17                 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-13 19:28                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-13 20:57                     ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-13 21:17                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-11-14 14:54                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 15:00                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 16:24                         ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-14 16:46                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 17:34                             ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-14 17:43                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 18:17                                 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-16  5:12                                 ` Sven Dowideit
2003-11-18 15:30                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-18 18:30                                     ` Ben Collins
2003-11-18 18:42                                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-18 22:53                                         ` Sven Dowideit
2003-11-19  0:24                                         ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-19  0:38                                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-11-19 10:26                                             ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-19  0:49                                           ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-11-19 10:45                                             ` Andrew Walrond
2003-11-18 18:42                                       ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-14 16:35                         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-14 16:48                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 17:03                             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-14 17:04                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 17:08                                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-14 17:10                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-16  4:57                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-13 21:54                     ` Eli Carter
2003-11-13 23:32                 ` Daniel Egger
2003-11-14  9:56                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-14 11:38                     ` Daniel Egger
2003-11-15  3:02                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-15  3:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-15  3:41                           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-15  3:49                             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-15  4:04                               ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-15 21:09                         ` Daniel Egger
2003-11-18  9:59                 ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-18 15:01                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-13  0:45           ` Ryan Anderson
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     [not found]   ` <RPt5.4TS.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <RQ5t.69U.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <RQf8.6tb.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <Snut.2iY.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]             ` <TiVJ.4ko.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <Tj5w.4yi.25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-11-18 19:38                 ` Pascal Schmidt
2003-11-19 14:49                   ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <fa.gj5f2rq.1u42v9u@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.d7qik9h.1q644ip@ifi.uio.no>
2003-11-17  0:49   ` walt
2003-11-15  1:06 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2003-11-15  1:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-15 10:53   ` Frank Cusack
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-13 12:59 Samium Gromoff
2003-11-13 14:44 ` Jan Harkes
     [not found] <fa.na6uip6.p2erhm@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.dbkbts9.1k7ohhd@ifi.uio.no>
2003-11-11  4:00   ` walt
2003-11-11  7:22     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11  7:37       ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-11  7:47         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11 15:04         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-12 21:35           ` Benoit Poulot-Cazajous
2003-11-13 14:53             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-13 15:23               ` Andreas Schwab
2003-11-13 16:09                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-13 16:29                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-13 16:39                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-13 22:09                 ` Benoit Poulot-Cazajous
2003-11-11 15:02     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-07  5:10 Larry McVoy
2003-11-07  9:53 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-11-09 15:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-09 15:25   ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-09 15:42     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-09 16:25       ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-10  1:21         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 13:26       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-10 16:49         ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 16:57           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-10 17:54             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 17:59               ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10 18:27                 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 18:37                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-10 18:52                     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 19:08                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10 19:23                       ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-10 19:31                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-10 19:42                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10 23:41                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-11 15:26                             ` Timothy Miller
2003-11-11  3:10                           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11  3:25                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-11  3:48                           ` jw schultz
2003-11-11  4:03                             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11  7:34                             ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-11 15:00                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14  5:13                         ` Andrew Pimlott
2003-11-14 14:01                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14 14:53                             ` Larry McVoy
2003-11-14 15:28                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-11-14 18:20                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10 18:37                   ` David Roundy
2003-11-10 18:46                   ` Andreas Dilger
2003-11-09 19:28     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-10  1:59       ` Matt Mackall
2003-11-10  2:38         ` H. Peter Anvin

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