From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: jt@hpl.hp.com,
Linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Pontus Fuchs <pof@users.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: Announce: ndiswrapper
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:00:34 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031120040034.GF19856@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FBC3483.4060706@pobox.com>
Jean Tourrilhes wrote:
>> Even better :
>> 1) go to the Wireless LAN Howto
>> 2) find a card are supported under Linux that suit your needs
>> 3) buy this card
>> I don't see the point of giving our money to vendors that
>> don't care about us when there are vendors making a real effort toward
>> us.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:26:59PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Unfortunately that leaves users without support for any recent wireless
> hardware. It gets more and more difficult to even find Linux-supported
> wireless at Fry's and other retail locations...
And what good would it be to have an entire driver subsystem populated
by binary-only drivers? That's not part of Linux, that's "welcome to
nvidia hell" for that subsystem too, and not just graphics cards.
I say we should go the precise opposite direction and take a hard line
stance against binary drivers, lest we find there are none left we even
have source to and are bombarded with unfixable bugreports.
No, it's not my call to make, but basically, I don't see many benefits
left. The additional drivers we got out of this were highly version-
dependent, extremely fragile, and have been generating massive numbers
of bugreports nonstop on a daily basis since their inception.
We'd lose a few things, like vmware, but it's not worth the threat of
vendors migrating en masse to NDIS/etc. emulation layers and dropping
all spec publication and source drivers, leaving us entirely at the
mercy of BBB's (Buggy Binary Blobs) to do any io whatsoever.
Seriously, the binary-only business has been doing us a disservice, and
is threatening to do worse.
-- wli
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-11-20 4:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-11-20 3:11 Announce: ndiswrapper Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 3:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 3:34 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 12:05 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:25 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-21 17:43 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-21 17:48 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:50 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-11-20 4:00 ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-11-20 4:16 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 4:35 ` Neil Brown
2003-11-20 4:49 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 4:57 ` Randy.Dunlap
2003-11-20 5:05 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 6:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20 5:27 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 5:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 5:36 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 4:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 4:59 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 5:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 5:27 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-24 15:40 ` Rik van Riel
2003-11-20 12:41 ` Diego Calleja García
2003-11-20 13:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-11-20 20:24 ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2003-11-20 5:11 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-20 9:56 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-11-20 13:15 ` Ralph Metzler
2003-11-20 6:52 ` Matt Mackall
2003-11-20 7:40 ` Nick Piggin
2003-11-20 10:13 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-11-20 10:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 22:47 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 22:59 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:26 ` Oliver Hunt
2003-11-20 23:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 13:19 ` Gene Heskett
2003-11-20 23:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 5:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 5:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 6:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-20 17:27 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-11-21 0:03 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 16:47 ` Jason Lunz
2003-11-20 17:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-20 17:24 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 17:48 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-20 18:03 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-11-20 23:01 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-21 5:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21 7:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-21 7:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-21 7:47 ` Nuno Silva
2003-11-21 7:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-20 10:55 ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-20 17:22 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-20 23:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-20 23:45 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 17:08 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-23 23:13 ` Jan Rychter
[not found] <TNwv.6Lz.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <TPHV.1vf.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <TQXu.420.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-11-21 2:53 ` Andrew Miklas
2003-11-21 10:33 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-11-20 23:53 Mudama, Eric
2003-11-21 0:00 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-11-21 1:01 ` Bob McElrath
2003-11-24 17:42 ` Pavel Machek
2003-11-21 7:58 ` Jan De Luyck
2003-11-21 8:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-11-18 11:02 Pontus Fuchs
2003-11-18 12:51 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-11-18 13:26 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 13:37 ` Christian Axelsson
2003-11-18 13:49 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-11-18 13:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-11-18 14:14 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:49 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-11-18 15:31 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-11-18 14:19 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-18 14:31 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-11-18 22:22 ` Pavel Machek
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