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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>
Cc: Jakob Lell <jlell@JakobLell.de>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: hard links create local DoS vulnerability and security problems
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:35:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031124173527.GA1561@mail.shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0311241205500.18425@chaos>

Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> To prevent this, a user can set his default permissions so that
> neither group nor world can read the files. This is usually done
> by setting the attributes in the user's top directory.

Correct, but the quota problem is genuine: what if I want to create a
lot of files in /home/jamie that are readable by other users, but I
want to be able to delete them at some later time and reuse my quota
for something else?

This is quite a normal scenario on multi-user systems with quotas.

You seem to be suggesting that the only method is to have a separate
partition for each user, which is absurd.

Another method is "tree quotas" which have come up on this list
before.  Hopefully they will be included one day; tree quotas seem
like they would solve this problem and some others.

> A setuid binary created with a hard-link will only work as a setuid
> binary if the directory it's in is owned by root.

That isn't true.

> If you have users that can create files or hard-links within such
> directories, you have users who either know the root password
> already or have used some exploit to become root. In any case, it's
> not a hard-link problem

/tmp is owned by root and anyone can create a hard link in /tmp to
other files, on a system where /tmp doesn't have its own filesystem.

> No. Users must be able to create hard links to files that belong
> to somebody else if they are readable. It's a requirement.

I disagree.  The ability to create files and declare that someone else
can't hard link to them would be useful in a multi-user environment.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-24 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-24 16:36 hard links create local DoS vulnerability and security problems Jakob Lell
2003-11-24 17:05 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-24 20:42   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-11-24 17:14 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-24 17:35   ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2003-11-24 18:57     ` aic7xxx loading oops in 2.6.0-test10 Alexander Nyberg
2003-11-24 20:03       ` Ken Witherow
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0311241524310.1245@morpheus>
2003-11-24 20:49           ` Ken Witherow
2003-11-24 23:42             ` Dick Streefland
2003-11-25  3:16     ` hard links create local DoS vulnerability and security problems Matthias Andree
2003-11-25 14:48     ` Jan Kara
2003-11-25 15:27       ` Jakob Lell
2003-11-24 17:37   ` Rudo Thomas
2003-11-24 18:10     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-24 18:22       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-24 22:17       ` [OT] " Rudo Thomas
2003-11-24 17:57   ` Jakob Lell
2003-11-24 18:08     ` splite
2003-11-24 18:13       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-11-24 18:24         ` Jakob Lell
2003-11-24 23:57         ` bill davidsen
2003-11-24 18:18       ` Jakob Lell
2003-11-24 18:29         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-24 19:25           ` hard links create local DoS vulnerability and security proble Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2003-11-24 20:00             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-11-24 20:02               ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2003-11-24 20:22             ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-11-24 18:21     ` hard links create local DoS vulnerability and security problems Michael Buesch
2003-11-24 18:35       ` Jakob Lell
2003-11-24 18:53       ` Chris Wright
2003-11-25  0:04         ` bill davidsen
2003-11-25 13:54     ` Jesse Pollard
2003-11-24 23:50 ` bill davidsen
2003-11-25  0:22   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-11-25  0:35   ` Chris Wright
2003-11-25  8:15     ` Amon Ott
2003-11-25 16:11     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-11-25 11:26 ` Gianni Tedesco
     [not found] <fa.hevpbbs.u5q2r6@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.l1quqni.v405hu@ifi.uio.no>
2003-11-24 20:54   ` Andy Lutomirski
2003-11-24 21:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-11-24 23:28       ` Ricky Beam
2003-11-24 22:04     ` John Bradford
2003-11-24 22:12       ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-25 12:10         ` John Bradford
2003-11-25 12:18           ` Måns Rullgård
2003-11-25 13:12             ` John Bradford

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