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From: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@conectiva.com.br>
To: Ed Sweetman <ed.sweetman@wmich.edu>
Cc: Ionut Georgescu <george@physik.tu-cottbus.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 future
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:12:19 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031202141219.GE13388@conectiva.com.br> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FCC95BB.60205@wmich.edu>

Em Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 08:38:03AM -0500, Ed Sweetman escreveu:
> Ionut Georgescu wrote:
> >Because new hardware requires newest kernel, and neither I, nor the
> >majority of the users out there have the knowledge to 'forward' apply
> >patches.
> >
> >Even if 2.4 is phasing out, the process has just begun and it will last
> >a lot until 2.6 will be ready for production systems.
> >
> >We are not talking about a fancy, experimental feature. We are talking
> >about a mature, serious project, that has been traveling for 3 years
> >along the 2.4 kernel and with even more years of testing and research
> >behind. I find it just pitty for the linux kernel not to include it.
> >
> >When going to a conference, you don't present the brand new stuff you
> >have just computed or measured the night before, because you just can't
> >know if it is correct or not. Instead, you will present older, but
> >mature work, that you can swear on. The same with the 2.6 kernel.
> >Everybody is pushing it in front, but no one is using it for production
> >systems. XFS and 2.4 are, even together, old, mature work, that anybody
> >would 'present' anywhere.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Ionut
> 
> 
> The point was, the patch is perfectly and easily usable the way it is. 
> There stands to be no reason to make it part of the vanilla kernel other 
> than a very slight convenience factor for a small minority of users. 
> Tosatti thinks that that versus changes to this stable kernel that touch 
> common code are unacceptable.  Despite the maturity of the project, it 
> just doesn't make sense to include it in the vanilla kernel, it would be 
> a disservice to the rest of the users of 2.4.x kernels that do so for 
> stability, not only in the not crashing sense, but also in the code-base 
>  sense. And the number of users who don't use xfs so greatly outnumber 
> the users that do that it's a mute point for Tosatti.

<humour>
Thanks for reading my mind and writing it down 8)
</humour>

- Arnaldo

  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-02 14:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-01 14:25 Linux 2.4 future Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-01 15:04 ` Ian Kent
2003-12-01 15:33   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-01 21:36     ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-01 23:54       ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-02  1:11         ` Ian Kent
2003-12-02 20:13           ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-02 20:10         ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-02 20:18           ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-02 20:46             ` Peter C. Norton
2003-12-03  1:23               ` Ian Kent
2003-12-03 10:36                 ` Matthias Andree
2003-12-03 14:49                   ` Ian Kent
2003-12-03 15:00                     ` Matthias Andree
2003-12-04  6:24                       ` Ian Kent
2003-12-02 21:56             ` Bryan Whitehead
2003-12-02  8:17       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-02  1:09     ` Ian Kent
2003-12-02  2:23     ` snpe
2003-12-02  6:39       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-12-02 18:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-02 18:45           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-12-02 19:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-02 19:13               ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-12-02 19:39               ` Gene Heskett
2003-12-02 20:13                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-02 20:32                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 21:48                   ` Gene Heskett
2003-12-02 21:56                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-03  2:36                       ` Harald Arnesen
2003-12-03  9:21                     ` Helge Hafting
2003-12-02 19:59           ` snpe
2003-12-02 22:30             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-02 22:43               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-03 14:08                 ` snpe
2003-12-03 13:26                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-02  8:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-01 15:26 ` Norberto Bensa
2003-12-01 23:30   ` 2.6 security patches merged? was: " Mike Fedyk
2003-12-02  0:06     ` Chris Wright
2003-12-02  0:58       ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-02  1:56         ` Chris Wright
2003-12-02 11:55     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-02  9:00   ` Matthias Andree
2003-12-02 11:54   ` Ionut Georgescu
2003-12-02 12:03     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-02 13:13       ` Ionut Georgescu
2003-12-02 13:38         ` Ed Sweetman
2003-12-02 14:12           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo [this message]
2003-12-02 16:01           ` Ionut Georgescu
2003-12-02 16:08             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-02 18:20               ` John Bradford
2003-12-02 20:19               ` Ville Herva
2003-12-02 21:40                 ` Chris Wright
2003-12-02 20:09       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 20:24         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2003-12-02 20:45           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-12-02 21:03             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0312021402360.17892@moje.vabo.cz>
     [not found]         ` <20031202131512.GU13388@conectiva.com.br>
     [not found]           ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0312021433360.8417@moje.vabo.cz>
     [not found]             ` <20031202135423.GB13388@conectiva.com.br>
2003-12-02 20:21               ` Tomas Konir
2003-12-02 18:53                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-02 19:06                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-02 23:13                 ` Jose Luis Domingo Lopez
2003-12-03 18:22                 ` bill davidsen
2003-12-04  1:24                   ` jw schultz
2003-12-04  1:47                     ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-04  3:45                       ` Tim Connors
2003-12-04  5:41                         ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-05  0:14                       ` jw schultz
2003-12-01 15:56 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-12-01 21:02 ` David S. Miller
2003-12-03 21:26 ` Jan Rychter
2003-12-03 20:51   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-03 21:14   ` Willy Tarreau
2003-12-05 15:33   ` John Jasen
2003-12-05 22:23     ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-06 15:49     ` Max Valdez

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