From: Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>
To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Is there a "make hole" (truncate in middle) syscall?
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:23:48 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031204172348.A14054@hexapodia.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200312041432.23907.rob@landley.net>; from rob@landley.net on Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:32:23PM -0600
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:32:23PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
> You can make a file with a hole by seeking past it and never writing to that
> bit, but is there any way to punch a hole in a file after the fact? (I mean
> other with lseek and write. Having a sparse file as the result....)
No, the only way to add a hole to a file is ftruncate(), lseek(),
write() (at least, that's the case at the UNIX API level).
> What are the downsides of holes? (How big do they have to be to
> actually save space, is there a performance penalty to having a file
> with 1000 4k holes in it, etc...)
It's filesystem-dependent; some filesystems don't implement sparse
files. The lower bound is one block; on extents-based filesystems like
XFS it might be bigger. (If you've got 1GB of data, then a 1MB block of
zeros, then another GB of data, you're probably better off allocating a
single 2GB extent rather than two smaller extents with a hole.)
There's no inherent downside to holey files; in fact they can be a
straight-up performance win -- that's a block that doesn't need to be
read from disk, just hand the user a COW pointer to your zero page. And
if you're lucky and the preceding and following blocks are allocated
adjacent on disk, you can do it all as a single streaming IO.
That said, having holes might make some pessimal behaviors more likely.
I'm curious -- does NTFS implement sparse files? Does the Win32 API
provide any way to manipulate them? Does the NT kernel have any sparse
file handling?
-andy
(This post is an exercise in "post possibly-inaccurate information in an
attempt to elicit corrections from people who know better", so take what
I say with a grain of salt.)
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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-12-04 20:32 Is there a "make hole" (truncate in middle) syscall? Rob Landley
2003-12-04 20:55 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-04 21:10 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-05 0:02 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-04 22:33 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-05 11:22 ` Helge Hafting
2003-12-05 12:11 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-05 22:41 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-05 23:25 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-05 23:33 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-05 23:25 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-04 21:48 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-04 23:59 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-05 22:42 ` Olaf Titz
2003-12-04 22:53 ` Peter Chubb
2003-12-05 1:04 ` Philippe Troin
2003-12-05 2:39 ` Peter Chubb
2003-12-08 4:03 ` bill davidsen
2003-12-04 23:23 ` Andy Isaacson [this message]
2003-12-04 23:42 ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2003-12-05 2:03 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-12-05 7:09 ` Ville Herva
2003-12-05 11:22 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2003-12-05 11:44 ` viro
2003-12-05 14:27 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2003-12-05 21:00 ` sparse file performance (was Re: Is there a "make hole" (truncate in middle) syscall?) Andy Isaacson
2003-12-05 21:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-08 20:43 ` Andy Isaacson
2003-12-11 5:13 ` Is there a "make hole" (truncate in middle) syscall? Hua Zhong
2003-12-11 6:19 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-11 18:58 ` Andy Isaacson
2003-12-11 19:15 ` Hua Zhong
2003-12-11 19:43 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-12-12 21:37 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-12-11 19:48 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-11 19:55 ` Hua Zhong
2003-12-11 19:58 ` Andy Isaacson
2003-12-12 12:18 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 15:40 ` Andy Isaacson
2003-12-12 16:03 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-11 20:32 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-12 12:55 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 13:28 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2003-12-12 13:43 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 13:52 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2003-12-12 14:04 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 13:53 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-12 14:01 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2003-12-12 21:35 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-15 10:00 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2003-12-15 11:52 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-15 13:26 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 13:39 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-12 13:56 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 14:24 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-12 21:37 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-15 12:47 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-16 5:43 ` Rob Landley
2003-12-16 11:05 ` Jörn Engel
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