From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Phillip Lougher" <phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk>,
"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@debian.org>,
"Erez Zadok" <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu>,
"Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>,
"Kallol Biswas" <kbiswas@neoscale.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: partially encrypted filesystem
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:07:59 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031210000759.GA618@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1070883425.31993.80.camel@hades.cambridge.redhat.com>
Hi!
> > Of course, all this is at the logical file level, and ignores the
> > physical blocks on disk. All filesystems assume physical data blocks
> > can be updated in place. With compression it is possible a new physical
> > block has to be found, especially if blocks are highly packed and not
> > aligned to block boundaries. I expect this is at least partially why
> > JFFS2 is a log structured filesystem.
>
> Not really. JFFS2 is a log structured file system because it's designed
> to work on _flash_, not on block devices. You have an eraseblock size of
> typically 64KiB, you can clear bits in that 'block' all you like till
> they're all gone or you're bored, then you have to erase it back to all
> 0xFF again and start over.
>
> Even if you were going to admit to having a block size of 64KiB to the
> layers above you, you just can't _do_ atomic replacement of blocks,
> which is required for normal file systems to operate correctly.
Are those assumptions needed for something else than recovery after
crash/powerdown? [i.e., afaics 64K ext2 should work on flash, but fsck
might have some troubles...]
Pavel
--
When do you have a heart between your knees?
[Johanka's followup: and *two* hearts?]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-12-10 0:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-12-03 21:07 partially encrypted filesystem Kallol Biswas
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-03 23:20 ` bill davidsen
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 0:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04 1:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-04 2:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04 3:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-12-04 2:37 ` Charles Manning
2003-12-04 14:17 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 15:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04 16:07 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 17:26 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 18:20 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 18:40 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 19:41 ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 11:20 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 16:16 ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 19:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 19:47 ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 20:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 21:38 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06 0:15 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-06 1:35 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06 2:39 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-06 11:43 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-07 0:04 ` Shaya Potter
2003-12-08 14:08 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-06 0:50 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-08 11:37 ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:44 ` phillip
2003-12-08 14:07 ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-10 1:16 ` [OT?]Re: " Charles Manning
2003-12-10 17:45 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-09 23:40 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10 0:07 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2003-12-10 1:28 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10 2:13 ` Charles Manning
2003-12-05 19:58 ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-08 11:28 ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:49 ` phillip
2003-12-04 19:18 ` David Wagner
2003-12-05 13:02 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 17:28 ` Frank v Waveren
2003-12-05 23:59 ` David Wagner
2003-12-19 15:01 ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-04 3:10 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-04 18:16 ` Hans Reiser
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-06 19:56 Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06 22:07 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-10 3:22 Valient Gough
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