From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265344AbTLSG6B (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:58:01 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S265345AbTLSG6B (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:58:01 -0500 Received: from ns.virtualhost.dk ([195.184.98.160]:35750 "EHLO virtualhost.dk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S265344AbTLSG5u (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:57:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:57:47 +0100 From: Jens Axboe To: Hans Reiser Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.0 Message-ID: <20031219065747.GT2069@suse.de> References: <20031217211516.2c578bab.akpm@osdl.org> <200312181112.43745.ismail.donmez@boun.edu.tr> <006201c3c54c$2bb00c50$0e25fe0a@southpark.ae.poznan.pl> <3FE20077.80509@namesys.com> <20031218194203.GM2069@suse.de> <3FE2738A.4060004@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FE2738A.4060004@namesys.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Dec 19 2003, Hans Reiser wrote: > Jens Axboe wrote: > > > > > > >I hope you don't expect to actually have something that's worthy of > >being merged into 2.6.x in a months time? > > > > > > > Have you looked at the stability of the typical experimental feature? > If we used that as a guide, we'd have sent it in 3 months ago.....;-) I don't think that's true. Plus, a file system (even more true in the case of reiser4) is a huge complex beast. A driver is a lot less complex. > We will have something we think is appropriate for inclusion as an > experimental feature very soon now. Because our test scripts have > become much more sophisticated, it means more when we say we cannot > crash it, and it will go from experimental to stable faster than V3 > did. I won't predict how fast. Well v3 was merged too soon to, but at that time there was a big motive to do just that - get a journalled fs in the kernel. With v4 that just isn't the case. I don't doubt you have great testing scripts, but nothing beats real life testing. -- Jens Axboe