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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	torvalds@osdl.org, benh@kernel.crashing.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, andrea@suse.de
Subject: Re: Page aging broken in 2.6
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:55:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031227235538.GP22443@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031227230757.GA25229@k3.hellgate.ch>

On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 12:07:58AM +0100, Roger Luethi wrote:
> It can matter. Evicting a page that is infrequently referenced by many
> processes increases the chance that all runnable processes block waiting
> for that same page later. The likelihood of that happening grows under
> memory pressure, when "infrequently" may actually be "quite often" and
> when disk I/O is congested (resulting in higher disk access times).
> You won't have the same effect when evicting a page that is referenced
> by one process only, no matter how frequently.

Part of this is unrealistic; paging I/O being congested must be due to
paging itself causing seeks without additional I/O load. Reading a
single page once and then faulting that one page back into numerous
process address spaces is only one I/O request, and so cannot seek in
and of itself. So in this scenario, a convoy of processes on a single
page is plausible; aggravated paging I/O seekiness is not. Did you have
in mind some additional I/O load? Or do affected processes actually all
fault before the one I/O completes, and so all block temporarily?

On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 12:07:58AM +0100, Roger Luethi wrote:
> Having all processes blocked is indeed one problem of 2.6 under memory
> pressure. I don't know what the cause is, though.

Can you capture sysrq t while a situation like this is in progress?

-- wli

  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-27 23:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-26  7:28 Page aging broken in 2.6 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-26  7:40 ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-26  9:21   ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-26  9:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-26 19:44     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-12-26  9:33   ` Russell King
2003-12-26 10:07     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-26 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-26 23:55   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27  0:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27  0:44       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27  0:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27  0:59           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27  1:03           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27  2:37             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-12-27  5:02               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27 10:16               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-27  2:47           ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-27  3:00             ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-27  3:31               ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-27  3:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27 16:34                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-12-27 23:07               ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-27 23:55                 ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-12-28 11:23                   ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-28 16:35                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-28 17:15                       ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-28  0:04                 ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-28 11:58                   ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-27  1:41       ` Andrea Arcangeli
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2003-12-26 10:45 Manfred Spraul

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