From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
torvalds@osdl.org, benh@kernel.crashing.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, andrea@suse.de
Subject: Re: Page aging broken in 2.6
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:55:38 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031227235538.GP22443@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031227230757.GA25229@k3.hellgate.ch>
On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 12:07:58AM +0100, Roger Luethi wrote:
> It can matter. Evicting a page that is infrequently referenced by many
> processes increases the chance that all runnable processes block waiting
> for that same page later. The likelihood of that happening grows under
> memory pressure, when "infrequently" may actually be "quite often" and
> when disk I/O is congested (resulting in higher disk access times).
> You won't have the same effect when evicting a page that is referenced
> by one process only, no matter how frequently.
Part of this is unrealistic; paging I/O being congested must be due to
paging itself causing seeks without additional I/O load. Reading a
single page once and then faulting that one page back into numerous
process address spaces is only one I/O request, and so cannot seek in
and of itself. So in this scenario, a convoy of processes on a single
page is plausible; aggravated paging I/O seekiness is not. Did you have
in mind some additional I/O load? Or do affected processes actually all
fault before the one I/O completes, and so all block temporarily?
On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 12:07:58AM +0100, Roger Luethi wrote:
> Having all processes blocked is indeed one problem of 2.6 under memory
> pressure. I don't know what the cause is, though.
Can you capture sysrq t while a situation like this is in progress?
-- wli
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-12-27 23:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-12-26 7:28 Page aging broken in 2.6 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-26 7:40 ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-26 9:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-26 9:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-26 19:44 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-12-26 9:33 ` Russell King
2003-12-26 10:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-26 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-26 23:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27 0:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27 0:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27 0:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27 0:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27 1:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27 2:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-12-27 5:02 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27 10:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-27 2:47 ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-27 3:00 ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-27 3:31 ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-27 3:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27 16:34 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-12-27 23:07 ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-27 23:55 ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-12-28 11:23 ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-28 16:35 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-28 17:15 ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-28 0:04 ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-28 11:58 ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-27 1:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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2003-12-26 10:45 Manfred Spraul
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