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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.6.0 batch scheduling, HT aware
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:49:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20031229124914.GA317@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FEFD18D.3070608@cyberone.com.au>

Hi!

> >>>BTW this is going to be an issue even on normal (non-HT)
> >>>systems. Imagine memory-bound scientific task on CPU0 and nice -20
> >>>memory-bound seti&home at CPU1. Even without hyperthreading, your
> >>>scientific task is going to run at 50% of speed and seti&home is going
> >>>to get second half. Oops.
> >>>
> >>>Something similar can happen with disk, but we are moving out of
> >>>cpu-scheduler arena with that.
> >>>
> >>>[I do not have SMP nearby to demonstrate it, anybody wanting to
> >>>benchmark a bit?]
> >>>
> >>This is definitely the case but there is one huge difference. If you have 
> >>2x1Ghz non HT processors then the fastest a single threaded task can run 
> >>is at 1Ghz. If you have 1x2Ghz HT processor the fastest a single threaded 
> >>task can run is 2Ghz. 
> >>
> >
> >Well, gigaherz is not the *only* important thing.
> >
> >On 2x1GHz, 2GB/sec RAM bandwidth, fastest a single threaded task can
> >run is 1GHz, 2GB/sec. If you run two of them, it is 1GHz,
> >*1*GB/sec. So you still have effect similar to hyperthreading. And
> >yes, it can be measured.
> >
> 
> Hi Pavel,
> Sure this might be a real problem sometimes, but I don't see the
> CPU scheduler ever handling it unless we want to add a few kitchen
> sinks to its nice lean code as well.

Why is it a problem? If you are handling HT case, anyway, it should be
fairly easy to say "imagine it is HT system, not SMP one", and poof,
problem magically goes away.
								Pavel

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-29 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-23  0:38 [PATCH] 2.6.0 batch scheduling, HT aware Con Kolivas
2003-12-23  1:11 ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-23  1:24   ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-23  1:36     ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-23  2:42       ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-23  2:57         ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-23  3:15           ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-23  3:16             ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-26 23:03               ` Pavel Machek
2003-12-23 15:51           ` bill davidsen
2003-12-23 22:09             ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-30  0:35               ` bill davidsen
2004-01-02 20:10     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-12-26 22:56 ` Pavel Machek
2003-12-26 23:42   ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-26 23:49     ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-27 11:09     ` Pavel Machek
2003-12-27 11:15       ` Con Kolivas
2003-12-30  0:29         ` bill davidsen
2003-12-29  7:02       ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-29 12:49         ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2003-12-27  8:52   ` Mika Penttilä
2003-12-30  0:32     ` bill davidsen
2004-01-02 20:05   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-01-02 20:56     ` Davide Libenzi
2004-01-02 21:10       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-01-02 23:34         ` Davide Libenzi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-23  1:59 Nakajima, Jun
2003-12-23  2:40 ` Nick Piggin
2003-12-23  5:33 Nakajima, Jun
2003-12-23 10:13 ` Nick Piggin

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