From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kenneth.w.chen@intel.com
Subject: Re: Limit hash table size
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:22:35 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040206062235.GK31138@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040205190904.0cacd513.akpm@osdl.org>
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 07:09:04PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> writes:
> >
> > > Ken, I remain unhappy with this patch. If a big box has 500 million
> > > dentries or inodes in cache (is possible), those hash chains will be more
> > > than 200 entries long on average. It will be very slow.
> >
> > How about limiting the global size of the dcache in this case ?
>
> But to what size?
>
> The thing is, any workload which touches a huge number of dentries/inodes
> will, if it touches them again, touch them again in exactly the same order.
> This triggers the worst-case LRU behaviour.
>
> So if you limit dcache to 100MB and you happen to have a workload which
> touches 101MB's worth, you get a 100% miss rate. You suffer a 100000%
> slowdown on the second pass, which is unhappy. It doesn't seem worth
> crippling such workloads just because of the updatedb thing.
A less strict approach to LRU might serve. Probabilistically dropping
something in the first half of the LRU rather than the head would go a
long way to gracefully degrading the "working set slightly larger than
cache" effect. There are a couple different ways to do this that are
reasonably efficient.
--
Matt Mackall : http://www.selenic.com : Linux development and consulting
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[not found] ` <20040205155813.726041bd.akpm@osdl.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-02-06 1:54 ` Limit hash table size Andi Kleen
2004-02-05 2:38 ` Steve Lord
2004-02-06 3:12 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-05 4:06 ` Steve Lord
2004-02-06 4:39 ` Andi Kleen
2004-02-06 4:59 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 5:34 ` Maneesh Soni
2004-02-06 3:19 ` Andi Kleen
2004-02-06 3:23 ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-06 3:34 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 3:38 ` Nick Piggin
2004-02-18 12:41 ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-06 3:09 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 3:18 ` Andi Kleen
2004-02-06 3:30 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 4:45 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-02-06 6:22 ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2004-02-06 20:20 ` Taneli Vähäkangas
2004-02-06 20:27 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 21:46 ` Taneli Vähäkangas
2004-02-18 0:45 Chen, Kenneth W
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-18 0:16 Chen, Kenneth W
2004-02-17 22:24 Chen, Kenneth W
2004-02-17 23:24 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 6:32 Manfred Spraul
2004-02-06 0:10 Chen, Kenneth W
2004-02-06 0:23 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-09 23:12 ` Jes Sorensen
2004-01-14 22:31 Chen, Kenneth W
2004-01-18 14:25 ` Anton Blanchard
2004-01-14 22:29 Chen, Kenneth W
2004-01-12 16:50 Manfred Spraul
2004-01-09 19:05 Chen, Kenneth W
2004-01-12 13:32 ` Anton Blanchard
2004-01-08 23:12 Chen, Kenneth W
2004-01-09 9:25 ` Andrew Morton
2004-01-09 14:25 ` Anton Blanchard
2004-02-05 23:58 ` Andrew Morton
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