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From: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
To: Matthias Urlichs <smurf@smurf.noris.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: VFS locking: f_pos thread-safe ?
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:54:58 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040206165458.D18820@almesberger.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan.2004.02.06.18.59.44.936432@smurf.noris.de>; from smurf@smurf.noris.de on Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 07:59:45PM +0100

Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> but it's NOT AT ALL obvious to a "normal" application programmer.

It gets worse. From the same draft (perhaps someone who has the final
version could comment ?), in the rationale for read():

| The standard developers considered adding atomicity requirements to a
| pipe or FIFO, but recognized that due to the nature of pipes and FIFOs
| there could be no guarantee of atomicity of reads of {PIPE_BUF} or any
| other size that would be an aid to applications portability.

But then

| I/O is intended to be atomic to ordinary files and pipes and FIFOs.

Now, what exactly does "intended" mean ?

Of course, in this part, they only talk about data staying together,
not whether it can get duplicated, or effects on f_pos.

- Werner

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-06 19:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-06  9:09 VFS locking: f_pos thread-safe ? Matt
2004-02-06  9:16 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06  9:26   ` Matt
2004-02-06  9:35     ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 10:19       ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-06 11:18         ` viro
2004-02-06 18:59           ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-06 19:54             ` Werner Almesberger [this message]
2004-02-08 15:58             ` Kai Henningsen
2004-02-19 15:14               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <20040206101941.4cd9c882.shemminger@osdl.org>
2004-02-06 18:47           ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-06 13:50       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-02-06 13:56         ` viro
2004-02-06 14:24           ` Werner Almesberger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-06  7:12 Werner Almesberger
2004-02-06  7:55 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-06 18:37 ` Joel Becker
2004-02-06 19:05   ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-07  1:35     ` Joel Becker
2004-02-06 20:09   ` Werner Almesberger
2004-02-06 20:56     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-07  0:55       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-02-06 20:54 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-02-07 23:45   ` Werner Almesberger

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