From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de>
Cc: Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: JFS default behavior (was: UTF-8 in file systems? xfs/extfs/etc.)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:28:07 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040216142807.GB16658@mail.shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040216140338.GA2927@zombie.inka.de>
Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > I think this is because the character encoding used by the terminal
> > should be in the TERM environment variable, but it is in LANG instead.
>
> No. TERM does not have anything to do with locales (LANG).
No. The locale should not have anything to do with the appropriate
byte sequences need to make the terminal display characters.
It is wrong that LANG must have a different value depending on whether
I log in using a DEC VT100 or a Gnome Terminal, even though I wish to
see exactly the same language, dialect, messages, number formats,
currency formats, dates and times.
It is acceptable that LANG may control the encoding stored in files
and filenames, but this should be independent of the terminal type.
It is especially wrong that libraries which should be
locale-independent - such as curses, slang and readline - must read
the LANG variable in addition to TERM. If curses does not read and
parse LANG, simple things like the box around a dialog will not line
up correctly. This is wrong - it is a terminal characteristic.
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-02-16 14:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-02-09 11:58 UTF-8 in file systems? xfs/extfs/etc Nico Schottelius
2004-02-09 12:26 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-02-09 12:28 ` Hugo Mills
2004-02-09 13:04 ` Matthew Reppert
2004-02-09 13:36 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-10 4:32 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-10 4:53 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-10 9:46 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-10 23:04 ` jw schultz
2004-02-10 23:17 ` viro
2004-02-10 23:23 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-02-11 0:02 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-02-09 15:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-02-11 6:39 ` Tim Connors
2004-02-11 16:35 ` JFS default behavior (was: UTF-8 in file systems? xfs/extfs/etc.) Dave Kleikamp
2004-02-12 0:45 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-02-12 1:19 ` Tim Connors
2004-02-12 3:54 ` jw schultz
2004-02-12 12:03 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 8:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-12 15:55 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 16:17 ` John Bradford
2004-02-12 16:40 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 17:16 ` John Bradford
2004-02-12 18:06 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 19:08 ` John Bradford
2004-02-12 19:39 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 21:13 ` John Bradford
2004-02-12 22:29 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 22:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-13 2:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13 9:48 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 3:15 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-14 15:24 ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-13 0:17 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13 0:38 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13 1:16 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 1:23 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13 1:46 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 2:29 ` viro
2004-02-13 3:23 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-14 15:09 ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-15 1:01 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-16 14:03 ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-16 14:28 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2004-02-16 19:22 ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-16 21:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-16 15:18 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-16 15:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-16 19:13 ` Eduard Bloch
2004-02-16 15:46 ` John Bradford
2004-02-16 15:48 ` viro
2004-02-16 16:43 ` John Bradford
2004-02-16 16:25 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-16 15:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-16 15:44 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 10:03 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 10:22 ` vda
2004-02-13 10:29 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-12 13:28 ` Dave Kleikamp
2004-02-12 15:26 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-12 15:41 ` Dave Kleikamp
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-12 16:50 Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-12 18:12 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 3:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13 10:07 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-13 18:06 ` Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-13 18:15 ` viro
2004-02-13 18:24 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-13 18:31 ` viro
2004-02-13 20:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13 18:31 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-13 22:39 ` Robin Rosenberg
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2004-02-13 10:26 ` Robin Rosenberg
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2004-02-13 17:57 ` Nicolas Mailhot
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2004-02-15 14:26 ` Pascal Schmidt
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2004-02-16 15:44 ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-02-16 15:59 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
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2004-02-16 17:26 ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-02-16 17:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-16 19:48 ` Pascal Schmidt
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