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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: jw schultz <jw@pegasys.ws>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: JFS default behavior
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 15:55:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040216155534.GA17323@mail.shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040216062152.GB5192@pegasys.ws>

jw schultz wrote:
> If you have a filesystem with filenames that don't conform
> to your policy write userspace tools to detect and/or fix
> them.  If you have programs creating non-conforming
> filenames, fix or rm those programs.

You do understand that GNU coreutils, bash etc. are among those
programs, right?  As in "touch zöe.txt" creates a non-conforming
filename...

> OK.  The questions have been asked and answered.
> Asking again and again and again won't change the answer.

The question of what a program like this should do has not been
answered:

   perl -e 'for (glob "*") { rename $_, "ņi-".$_ or die "rename: $!\n"; }'

   (NB: The prefix string is N WITH CEDILLA followed by "i-").

Hint: it mangles perfectly fine non-ASCII file names, instead of just
prefixing the prefix string.  If you change the program to correctly
prepend the prefix string, then it mangles non-UTF-8 names, which is
arguably correct, but can result in you losing some files.

This _is_ a userspace problem, but it is a genuine problem for which
no good answer is yet apparent.

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-16 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-15 23:03 JFS default behavior Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-16  3:45 ` Jan Knutar
2004-02-16  8:30   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-16  8:54     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-02-16  6:21 ` jw schultz
2004-02-16 15:55   ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2004-02-17  6:47     ` jw schultz
2004-02-17 21:37       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-17 22:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18  9:59           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-18 15:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 23:58               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 10:59 ` JFS default behavior / UTF-8 filenames kernel
2004-02-19 14:05   ` Dave Kleikamp
2004-02-19 23:47     ` kernel
2004-02-20 15:00       ` Dave Kleikamp
2004-02-22 19:22         ` kernel
2004-02-24 14:44           ` Dave Kleikamp
     [not found] <1pvUz-6j-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1pRVj-2am-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-02-16 15:32   ` JFS default behavior Pascal Schmidt
2004-02-16 19:05     ` Eduard Bloch
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-15 14:48 Pascal Schmidt
2004-02-16 14:24 ` Eduard Bloch
     [not found] <04Feb13.163954est.41760@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>
2004-02-14 14:27 ` Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-14 15:40   ` viro
2004-02-14 17:47     ` Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-14 17:59       ` Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-14 23:06     ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-14 23:29       ` viro
2004-02-15  0:07         ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-15  2:41           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-15  3:33             ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-02-15  4:04               ` viro
2004-02-15  9:48                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-15 18:26                 ` yodaiken
2004-02-12 16:50 JFS default behavior (was: UTF-8 in file systems? xfs/extfs/etc.) Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-13  3:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-13 18:06   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2004-02-13 18:15     ` viro
2004-02-13 18:31       ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-02-13 18:50         ` JFS default behavior Ulrich Drepper

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