public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Robin Rosenberg <robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: tridge@samba.org,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: UTF-8 and case-insensitivity
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:27:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200402172327.08962.robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0402171314320.2154@home.osdl.org>

On Tuesday 17 February 2004 22.17, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The fact that _I_ think pathnames are just a nice stream of bytes sadly 
> doesn't make Windows clients do the same. Some day when I'm King Of The 
> World, and I can outlaw windows clients, we'll finally get rid of the 
LPA = Linus' Patriot Act. 

> braindamage, but until then I'm pragmatic enough to say "let's help out 
> the poor samba people who have to deal with the crap day in and day out".
> 
> What's your problem with that?

Nothing wrong with helping people. 

Having to put up with the existence of Windows day in and out is the reason I'm still on
an eight-bit encoding.  Sorry for not explaining the REAL problem, but only a partial
problem. I need to support all kinds of clients on Windows with protocols that convey no
character set info. With samba that's no problem. Having to put up with a Unix world running 
ISO-8859-1 (or ISO-8859-15) is another. Ofcourse that means Linux machines also add
to the disturbance by not storing things as unicode. The real obstable is file names, 
everything else including content of files, I can handle (I think). Maybe I'll find a solution
for the filenames too, but usually some hot discussions are needed for the brain to kick
into the right gear. 

I want to switch to UTF-8 to work better with the outside world, but as things are people will 
start to take notice of what OS is running in the shadows when they see the filename problems, and 
start demanding Windows, and ...  You see; I'm not mean; I don't want to do that to them (or myself),

-- robin

  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-17 22:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-17  4:12 UTF-8 and case-insensitivity tridge
2004-02-17  5:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17  6:54   ` tridge
2004-02-17  8:33     ` Neil Brown
2004-02-17 22:48       ` tridge
2004-02-18  0:06         ` Neil Brown
2004-02-18  9:47           ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-17 15:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 16:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 19:44         ` viro
2004-02-17 20:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 20:17             ` viro
2004-02-17 20:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 21:08         ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-17 21:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 22:27             ` Robin Rosenberg [this message]
2004-02-18  3:02               ` tridge
2004-02-17 23:57         ` tridge
2004-02-17 23:20       ` tridge
2004-02-17 23:43         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18  3:26           ` tridge
2004-02-18  5:33             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18  7:54             ` Marc Lehmann
2004-02-18  2:37         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18  3:03           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18  3:14             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18  3:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 21:31                 ` tridge
2004-02-18 22:23                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 22:28                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 22:50                       ` tridge
2004-02-18 22:59                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 23:09                           ` tridge
2004-02-18 23:16                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19  8:10                               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 16:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 16:38                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 16:54                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 18:29                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 19:48                                         ` Eureka! (was Re: UTF-8 and case-insensitivity) Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 19:51                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 19:48                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-19 20:04                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 20:05                                           ` viro
2004-02-19 20:23                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 20:32                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 20:45                                                 ` viro
2004-02-19 21:26                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 21:38                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 21:45                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 21:43                                                       ` viro
2004-02-19 21:53                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 22:21                                                           ` David Lang
2004-02-19 20:48                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 21:30                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  0:00                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20  0:17                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  0:24                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  0:30                                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2004-02-20  0:54                                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20  0:57                                                           ` tridge
2004-02-20  1:07                                                           ` Paul Wagland
2004-02-20 13:31                                                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-02-20  0:46                                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-23 10:13                                                           ` Tim Connors
2004-02-20  1:39                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2004-02-20 12:54                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 23:37                                           ` tridge
2004-02-20  0:02                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  0:16                                               ` tridge
2004-02-20  0:37                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  1:26                                                   ` tridge
2004-02-20  1:07                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-20  2:30                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-02-20 12:04                                           ` explicit dcache <-> user-space cache coherency, sys_mark_dir_clean(), O_CLEAN Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 13:19                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 13:37                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 14:00                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 16:31                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 13:23                                             ` [patch] " Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 18:00                                               ` viro
2004-02-20 15:41                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 17:04                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 17:19                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 18:48                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-21  1:44                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-21  7:58                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-21  8:04                                                       ` viro
2004-02-21 17:46                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-21 18:15                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-21  8:26                                                       ` Keith Owens
2004-02-23 10:59                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-23 13:55                                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-23 16:45                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-23 17:32                                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 23:00                                                   ` tridge
2004-02-20 17:33                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 18:22                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-21  0:38                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-21  1:10                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-21  3:01                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 17:47                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 20:38                                             ` Christer Weinigel
2004-02-22 15:07                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-22 16:55                                                 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-19 19:08                                       ` UTF-8 and case-insensitivity Helge Hafting
2004-02-18  4:08           ` tridge
2004-02-18 10:05             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-18 11:43               ` tridge
2004-02-18 12:31                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-18 16:48                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18 20:00                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-19  2:53   ` Daniel Newby
2004-02-17  5:25 ` Tim Connors
2004-02-17  7:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-17  8:05   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-17 14:25 ` Dave Kleikamp
2004-02-18  0:16 ` Robert White
2004-02-18  0:20   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18  1:03     ` Robert White
2004-02-18 21:48     ` Ville Herva
2004-02-18  2:48   ` tridge
2004-02-18 20:56     ` Robert White
     [not found] <fa.epf5o9k.1rkudgo@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.idvvhjl.1jge92d@ifi.uio.no>
2004-02-18  1:09   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found] <1q4Si-658-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1q7no-8ss-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1qfb7-7s5-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <1qmPm-6Gl-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <1qpWI-1Sa-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <1qqpO-2lx-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <1qqzv-2tr-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <1qqJc-2A2-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <1qHAR-2Wm-49@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                 ` <1qIwr-5GB-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                   ` <1qIwr-5GB-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                     ` <1qIQ1-5WR-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                       ` <1qIZt-6b9-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                         ` <1qJsF-6Be-45@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-02-19  0:06                           ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-02-19  1:01                             ` tridge
2004-02-19  1:08                               ` Hua Zhong
2004-02-19  1:46                                 ` tridge
2004-02-19  2:44                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-02-19  3:20                                 ` tridge
2004-02-19 10:18                                   ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-19 12:11                                   ` Paulo Marques
2004-02-19 19:04                                     ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-19 14:08                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-02-19 20:12                                   ` Robert White

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=200402172327.08962.robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com \
    --to=robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=torvalds@osdl.org \
    --cc=tridge@samba.org \
    --cc=viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox