From: Jean-Luc Cooke <jlcooke@certainkey.com>
To: Fruhwirth Clemens <clemens-dated-1078360505.b6b1@endorphin.org>
Cc: Christophe Saout <christophe@saout.de>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/proposal] dm-crypt: add digest-based iv generation mode
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:44:03 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040223134403.GA22682@certainkey.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040223003504.GA15110@ghanima.endorphin.org>
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 01:35:04AM +0100, Fruhwirth Clemens wrote:
> No obvious flaws for me. I've already argued in private different IV mode,
> but one more time for the public ;) : I embraced the principal of reusing
> components in security systems instead of depending on a large number on
> different subsystems. The only IV mode which can finally make sence for me
> is the use of cipher algorithm as hash algorithm. This will keep the risk of
> breakage of the system by the insecurity of one component to a minimum. A
> pratical reason for using one algorithm is that just one algorithm has to be
> optimized (f.e. assembler optimized or hardware offloading). I'd like to
> submit a patch for this as soon as dm-crypt is merged. Andrew: any ideas if
> this will happen soon?
Using a block cipher as a hash algorithm isn't nessesarily more secure. The
"less moving parts" argument is quickly pushed aside by the "round peg in a
round hole" argument.
SHA-1/SHA-256/384/512 were *designed* to be message digests. AES was not (as
a requirement anyways).
I have a CTR mode patch ready for crypto/cipher.c. I would like to implement
OMAC (the 6th AES approved mode of opereation) before giving the patch, but
you can't use OMAC the way you use ECB/CBC/CTR mode.
The analogy of:
for (i=0; i<len; i++)
omac_encrypt(tfm, dst[i], src[i], nbytes);
Will not work with OMAC since it creates a MAC and not a ciphertext stream
like the other modes.
for (i=0; i<len; i++)
omac_encrypt(tfm, dst[0], src[i], nbytes);
/* ^ see here! */
memcpy(mac, dest, ...); /* store the mac */
Is more appropriate. James - is this possible?
> > At least the "cryptoloop-exploit" Jari Ruusu posted doesn't work anymore.
Oooh, Jari.
JLC
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-02-23 13:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-02-19 17:02 [PATCH/proposal] dm-crypt: add digest-based iv generation mode Christophe Saout
2004-02-19 19:18 ` Andrew Morton
2004-02-20 17:14 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-02-20 18:53 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-20 19:09 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-02-20 19:23 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-20 21:23 ` James Morris
2004-02-20 22:40 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-21 0:07 ` James Morris
2004-02-21 2:17 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-24 19:11 ` Matt Mackall
2004-02-24 19:43 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-24 20:38 ` Matt Mackall
2004-02-25 21:43 ` Matt Mackall
2004-02-26 19:35 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-26 20:02 ` Matt Mackall
2004-02-27 16:05 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-27 18:37 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-27 20:02 ` Matt Mackall
2004-02-27 20:13 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-27 20:55 ` Matt Mackall
2004-02-27 21:16 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-28 0:39 ` Matt Mackall
2004-02-28 13:02 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-24 22:26 ` James Morris
2004-02-24 22:31 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-24 22:45 ` James Morris
2004-02-24 20:01 ` James Morris
2004-02-24 20:24 ` Matt Mackall
2004-02-25 2:25 ` Christophe Saout
2004-02-25 3:05 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-02-23 0:35 ` Fruhwirth Clemens
2004-02-23 13:44 ` Jean-Luc Cooke [this message]
2004-02-23 15:36 ` James Morris
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[not found] ` <Xine.LNX.4.44.0402231710390.21142-100000@thoron.boston.redhat.com>
2004-02-24 20:22 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-02-24 22:17 ` James Morris
2004-02-24 22:44 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
2004-02-25 13:52 ` James Morris
2004-02-25 15:11 ` Jean-Luc Cooke
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