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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: can device drivers return non-ram via vm_ops->nopage?
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:25:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040320162534.GU9009@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040320161538.C6726@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>

On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 04:15:38PM +0000, Russell King wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 04:57:39PM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> > > One of my current projects is fixing this crap in ALSA.
> > 
> > Do you agree it should be fixed by returning a PFN from ->nopage?
> 
> No.  How would you return the PFN from a remapped page?  It's far
> easier to provide an interface which returns the struct page* for
> the underlying pages, thusly:
> 
> static struct page *
> dma_coherent_to_page(struct device *dev, void *cpu_addr,
> 		     dma_addr_t handle, unsigned int offset)
> 
> And this is precisely what I would be working on if I weren't writing
> this mail. 8)
> 
> Take a moment to think about the problem.  We've allocated some memory
> for coherent DMA via the dma_alloc_coherent() interface.  At some point,

they're using MMIO pci space or it wouldn't catch my BUG_ON on x86.

The whole point is that it is non ram, if it would be ram, x86 couldn't
notice the virt_to_page, since the page_t would be in the range of the
mem_map_t and pfn_valid would be happy with it.

If it was dma_alloc_coherent it would return ram I think, not non-ram.

> we've had to get a struct page* in this allocator.  However, the
> allocator has had to do some architecture defined operations to provide
> coherent memory.
> 
> Only the architecture can translate the results from dma_alloc_coherent()
> back to a struct page* - which it needs to be able to do if
> dma_free_coherent() is going to work.
> 
> Therefore, what we need to do to solve the ALSA problem is require all
> architectures to provide dma_coherent_to_page() and make ALSA use that.

will this dma_coherent_to_page be allowed to run on a non-ram page?
It's pretty ugly to use page_t for non-ram. one can always convert with
a mul or div with sizeof(page_t) though. My point is that if you want to
allow stuff to deal with non-ram you must never have this stuff work
with page_t but it should work with pfn instead.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-20 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-20 13:30 can device drivers return non-ram via vm_ops->nopage? Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 14:40 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 15:06   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 15:27     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 15:44     ` Russell King
2004-03-20 15:57       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 16:15         ` Russell King
2004-03-20 16:25           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2004-03-20 16:57             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 17:48             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 19:03               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 15:58       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-03-20 16:09         ` Russell King
2004-03-20 19:44           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-03-20 22:23             ` Russell King
2004-03-20 22:45               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 23:54                 ` Russell King
2004-03-21  0:22                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-03-22  4:46                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-22 18:23                       ` Richard Curnow
2004-03-21  0:23                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-21  9:52                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-21 10:39                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-03-22  4:43             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-20 20:13     ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-20 20:28       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 20:50       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 22:26         ` Russell King
2004-03-20 22:45           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-21 20:45             ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-21 20:49               ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-21 20:57                 ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-21 21:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-21 22:17                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 22:23                     ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-21 22:23                     ` Russell King
2004-03-21 22:34                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 22:42                         ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-21 23:06                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 22:51                         ` Russell King
2004-03-21 23:09                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 23:11                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-21 23:22                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 23:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-21 23:58                                 ` Russell King
2004-03-22  0:34                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-22  3:05                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-23 17:59                                   ` Andy Whitcroft
2004-03-23 17:58                                     ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-23 18:11                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22  0:02                                 ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-22  3:28                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-22  0:10                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-22  0:20                                   ` Russell King
2004-03-22  0:33                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-22  4:57                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-21 23:45                             ` Russell King
2004-03-22  0:23                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22  0:29                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-22  1:28                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22  6:36           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 17:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-20 17:56   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 18:22   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-21  3:13   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-03-21  6:23     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-21  7:00       ` Chris Wedgwood

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