From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Michael Frank <mhf@linuxmail.org>
Cc: Jonathan Sambrook <jonathan.sambrook@dsvr.co.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Swsusp mailing list <swsusp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: swsusp is not reliable. Face it. [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems]
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:59:29 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040326095929.GA388@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <opr5gf95na4evsfm@smtp.pacific.net.th>
Hi!
On Pá 26-03-04 13:59:55, Michael Frank wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:13:48 +0100, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> >>Suspend is a mechanism to suspend the system transparently and
> >>_NOT_EVER_ impairing the system. There can be NO_COMPROMISE and
> >>NO_EXCUSE. I walk out of my office suspending the machine and resuming it
> >>in front of my client it can't ever fail, or am I an idiot to advocate
> >>linux?
> >>
> >>If I would be willing to accept failure I would not spend my time here and
> >>utilize M$'s incarnation of an architectural idiocy.
> >
> >You are wrong.
> >
> >swsusp1 fails your test, swsusp2 fails your test, and pmdisk fails it,
> >too. If half of memory is used by kmalloc(), there's no sane way to
> >make suspend-to-disk working. And swsusp[12] does not. Granted, half
> >of memory kmalloc-ed is unusual situation, but it can theoreticaly
> >happen. Try mem=8M or something.
>
> No, I am not!
>
> mem=8M won't boot into a usable system. mem=~11M will not suspend and
> swsusp2 will exit gracefully and this is tested.
>
> So swsusp2 does _not_ fail. You still have a usable system instead of a
> paniced system you seem to like to accept.
If swsusp1 panics system, that's a bug. I'm not accepting that one.
Refusing to suspend (I'd call it "fail to suspend") is bad but is not
a bug. Do we understand each other now?
Pavel
--
When do you have a heart between your knees?
[Johanka's followup: and *two* hearts?]
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2004-03-21 22:00 ` swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?] Pavel Machek
2004-03-22 0:29 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-22 20:55 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-22 23:17 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23 9:53 ` [Swsusp-devel] " Jonathan Sambrook
2004-03-23 15:25 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-23 21:47 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23 21:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 22:17 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23 22:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 23:07 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-23 23:17 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23 22:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 23:45 ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2004-03-23 22:52 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-24 0:05 ` Joel Jaeggli
2004-03-23 23:10 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 22:43 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-03-23 23:32 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23 22:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 23:44 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 3:12 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-24 10:17 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 22:46 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-24 23:23 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 23:56 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25 0:23 ` -nice tree [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?]] Pavel Machek
2004-03-25 0:50 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25 1:41 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <200403250857.08920.matthias.wieser@hiasl.net>
2004-03-25 20:39 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-25 22:27 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-25 21:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-25 22:54 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-26 5:59 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-26 10:50 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-26 13:17 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-27 14:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 12:10 ` fast compressed fs (was Re: -nice tree) Pavel Machek
2004-03-26 5:59 ` -nice tree [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?]] Michael Frank
2004-03-26 10:22 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-26 20:30 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-26 22:22 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-27 2:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-27 3:37 ` Luke-Jr
2004-03-27 4:28 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-27 4:40 ` Luke-Jr
2004-03-27 19:50 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-27 20:03 ` Luke-Jr
2004-03-27 21:01 ` Paranoia is fun [Was Re: -nice tree [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?]]] Michael Frank
2004-03-27 21:40 ` Luke-Jr
2004-03-27 21:29 ` -nice tree [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?]] Pavel Machek
2004-03-28 0:27 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-27 2:21 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-29 12:13 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 4:52 ` [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?] Dmitry Torokhov
2004-03-24 5:04 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-24 6:22 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-24 5:46 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-24 7:31 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-24 10:26 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-25 0:06 ` Jonathan Sambrook
2004-03-24 9:32 ` Karol Kozimor
2004-03-24 14:15 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25 0:35 ` Karol Kozimor
2004-03-24 5:06 ` sleeping in request function mohanlal jangir
[not found] ` <20040324083313.GG3377@suse.de>
2004-03-25 3:45 ` mohanlal jangir
2004-03-24 10:22 ` [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?] Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 12:48 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-03-24 15:18 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 20:22 ` Jonathan Sambrook
2004-03-24 21:06 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25 22:13 ` swsusp is not reliable. Face it. [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems] Pavel Machek
2004-03-25 21:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-25 22:52 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-26 5:59 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-26 9:59 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-03-26 10:21 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25 22:08 ` [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?] Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 22:05 ` Markus Gaugusch
2004-03-24 21:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
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