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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Ivan Godard <igodard@pacbell.net>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Kernel support for peer-to-peer protection models...
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:34:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040327103401.GA589@openzaurus.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <048e01c413b3_3c3cae60_fc82c23f@pc21>

Hi!

> 1) had a large number of distinguishable address spaces
> 2) any running code had two of these (code and data environment) it could
> use arbitrarily, but access to addresses in others was arbitrarily protected
> 3) flat, unified virtual addresses (64 bit) so that pointers, including
> inter-space pointers, have the same representation in all spaces

Hmm, will it be possible to have UML?

> 4) no "supervisor mode"

Is all your i/o memory mapped?

> 5) inter-space references require grant of access (transitive) by the
> accessed space; grants can be entire space or any contiguous subspace
> 6) inter-space reference has same performance as intra-space

Huh? Does it mean that all the accesses are horibly slow?

> 9) Hardware interrupts are involuntary inter-space calls. They do not
> require locking (assuming the handler is re-entrant - and if not then only
> from themselves), nor task switch, nor disabling other interrupts. The
> handler runs in the stack of whoever got interrupted, which (depending on
> interrupt priorities) could be another interrupt, on an interrupt, ... on an
> app, all mutually protected.

How do you implement ptrace if apps are protected from kernel?

> 10) Drivers can have their own individual space(s) distinct from those of
> the kernel and the apps. Buggy drivers cannot crash the kernel.

Well... buggy drivers can usually program DMA to do crashing for them.
How is your architecture called?

> dealing with protection models, interrupts, trap handling and the like? What
> about partitioning the kernel into disjoint (and mutually protected)
> components like IP stack, password/security, FS etc?

That would be pretty big rewrite...

Anyway, I believe you *do* want linux on it, if only as a test load.
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       reply	other threads:[~2004-03-27 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <048e01c413b3_3c3cae60_fc82c23f@pc21>
2004-03-27 10:34 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-03-28  1:32   ` Kernel support for peer-to-peer protection models Ivan Godard
2004-03-28  6:24     ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-28  6:32       ` Ivan Godard
2004-03-28 18:54         ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-28 19:56           ` Ivan Godard
2004-03-28 20:35             ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <048e01c413b3$3c3cae60$fc82c23f@pc21.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-03-27  6:29 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-28 20:21   ` Ivan Godard
2004-03-28 23:14     ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29  8:09       ` Ivan Godard
2004-03-29 15:36       ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-30 14:06         ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30 15:09         ` Ivan Godard
2004-03-27  4:23 Ivan Godard
2004-03-29  0:17 ` Paul Mackerras
2004-03-29  3:18   ` Ivan Godard
2004-03-29  3:48     ` Davide Libenzi
2004-03-29  7:52       ` Ivan Godard
2004-03-29 18:45         ` Davide Libenzi
2004-03-29 20:53           ` Ivan Godard

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