From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] speed up SATA
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:04:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040329130410.GH3039@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40679FE3.3080007@pobox.com>
On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 11:02:43PM -0500, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> My point is there are two maximums:
>
> 1) the hardware limit
> 2) the limit that "makes sense", e.g. 512k or 1M for most
>
> The driver should only care about #1, and should be "told" #2.
>
> A very, very, very minimal implementation could be this:
>
> --- 1.138/include/linux/blkdev.h Fri Mar 12 04:33:07 2004
> +++ edited/include/linux/blkdev.h Sun Mar 28 22:44:15 2004
> @@ -607,6 +607,24 @@
>
> extern void drive_stat_acct(struct request *, int, int);
>
> +#define BLK_DISK_MAX_SECTORS 2048
> +#define BLK_FLOPPY_MAX_SECTORS 64
>
>
> Hardcoding such a maximum in the driver is inflexible and IMO incorrect.
you're complaining the current API and you're arguing long term the
selection of the dma size for bulk I/O should change and be more
dynamic, but this doesn't change your patch is still wrong today.
Once you change the API too, then you can set the hardwre limit in your
driver and relay on the highlevel blkdev code to find the optimal runtime
dma size for bulk I/O, but today it's your driver that is enforcing a
runtime bulk dma size, not the maximim limit of the controller, and so
you should code your patch accordingly.
Probably both VM and I/O scheduler will require an override if we're
going to set the dma size to 32M anytime in the future (though even that
isn't obvious, I mean a battery backed ram isn't going to take that a
long latency to read/write 32M). But that VM/IOscheduler stuff will be
an "override", the blkdev value you're playing with is a blkdev-only
thing indipdentent from VM and I/O scheduler, and it's the min dma size
required to reach bulk I/O performance with minimal cpu overhead and
that's just an hardware issue that you can measure with an OS w/o VM and
with an OS w/o I/O scheduler. If it's too big the VM and the I/O
scheduler may want to reduce it for various reasons, but the decision of
this value from a blkdev point of view is indipendent from VM and I/O
scheduler as far as I can tell. VM and I/O scheduler cares about this
bit only if it's too big because if it's too big it hurts on latency and
memory pressure.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-03-29 13:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-03-27 22:37 [PATCH] speed up SATA Jeff Garzik
2004-03-27 23:04 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-27 23:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 7:23 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-28 15:37 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-27 23:32 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-27 23:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-27 23:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 0:13 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-28 0:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-29 11:42 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-27 23:37 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-27 23:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-27 23:47 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-27 23:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 14:10 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:35 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:54 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:08 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-28 18:15 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-29 8:09 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-29 12:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 12:44 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-29 12:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 13:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-29 13:08 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 8:13 ` Kurt Garloff
2004-03-30 11:40 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-29 17:19 ` Craig I. Hagan
2004-03-29 18:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 19:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 18:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-28 18:17 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:30 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-28 18:30 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:45 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-28 18:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 20:32 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-28 20:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-29 0:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-29 4:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-29 13:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2004-03-29 19:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 11:09 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 15:54 ` Timothy Miller
2004-03-30 16:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:05 ` Timothy Miller
2004-03-30 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:19 ` Timothy Miller
2004-03-29 4:29 ` Wim Coekaerts
2004-03-29 7:32 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-03-29 8:13 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-29 13:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-29 4:31 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-29 4:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 19:52 ` Nuno Silva
2004-03-28 20:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 0:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 0:15 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-28 0:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 1:02 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-28 1:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 13:59 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:31 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 13:51 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-28 17:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-28 17:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 20:50 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-04-02 10:11 ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-04-02 16:11 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-03 10:48 ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-04-03 13:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-28 17:40 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:55 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 18:09 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 20:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 20:54 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-28 7:32 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-28 20:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 21:16 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-28 21:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 14:08 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:45 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 20:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 0:07 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-28 0:21 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-28 4:40 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-28 6:56 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-28 20:33 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-28 20:59 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-29 1:30 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-29 5:24 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-29 13:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 11:36 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-29 18:46 ` David Lang
2004-03-29 20:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 5:55 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-30 11:54 ` Marc Bevand
2004-03-30 13:07 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 13:48 ` Marc Bevand
2004-03-30 13:49 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 15:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 17:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 9:12 ` Marc Bevand
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-31 5:47 Marcus Hartig
2004-03-31 6:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 16:07 ` Marcus Hartig
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