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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Erich Focht <efocht@hpce.nec.com>
Cc: nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, mbligh@aracnet.com, mingo@elte.hu,
	ak@suse.de, jun.nakajima@intel.com, ricklind@us.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel@kolivas.org,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, anton@samba.org,
	lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:02:42 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040330030242.56221bcf.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200403301204.14303.efocht@hpce.nec.com>

Erich Focht <efocht@hpce.nec.com> wrote:
>
>  > And finally, HPC
>  > applications are the very ones that should be using CPU
>  > affinities because they are usually tuned quite tightly to the
>  > specific architecture.
> 
>  There are companies mainly selling NUMA machines for HPC (SGI?), so
>  this is not a niche market.

It is niche in terms of number of machines and in terms of affected users. 
And the people who provide these machines have the resources to patch the
scheduler if needs be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what we have here is a situation where if we
design the scheduler around the HPC requirement, it will work poorly in a
significant number of other applications.  And we don't see a way of fixing
this without either a /proc/i-am-doing-hpc, or a config option, or
requiring someone to carry an external patch, yes?

If so then all of those seem reasonable options to me.  We should optimise
the scheduler for the common case, and that ain't HPC.

If we agree that architecturally sched-domains _can_ satisfy the HPC
requirement then I think that's good enough for now.  I'd prefer that Ingo
and Nick not have to bust a gut trying to get optimum HPC performance
before the code is even merged up.

Do you agree that sched-domains is architected appropriately?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-03-30 11:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-25 15:31 [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3 Nakajima, Jun
2004-03-25 15:40 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-25 19:09   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 15:21     ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-25 19:39       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 20:30         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-29  8:45           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 10:20             ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-29  5:07               ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 11:28               ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-29 17:30                 ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-30  0:01                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  1:26                     ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-29 11:20             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-29  6:01               ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 11:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-29  7:03                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29  7:10                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 20:14                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-29 23:51                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  6:34                       ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  6:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:07                           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  7:14                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:45                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:58                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:15                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:18                               ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:48                               ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  8:18                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  9:36                                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  7:42                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  7:03                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:13                           ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30  7:24                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:38                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-30  7:13                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-30  7:31                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  7:38                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-30  8:05                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  8:19                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30  8:45                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-30  8:53                                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30 15:27                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-25 19:24     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-25 21:48       ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 22:28         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-29 22:30           ` Erich Focht
2004-03-30  9:05             ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30 10:04               ` Erich Focht
2004-03-30 10:58                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-30 16:03                   ` [patch] sched-2.6.5-rc3-mm1-A0 Ingo Molnar
2004-03-31  2:30                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-30 11:02                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
     [not found]                   ` <20040330161438.GA2257@elte.hu>
     [not found]                     ` <20040330161910.GA2860@elte.hu>
     [not found]                       ` <20040330162514.GA2943@elte.hu>
2004-03-30 21:03                         ` [patch] new-context balancing, 2.6.5-rc3-mm1 Ingo Molnar
2004-03-31  2:30                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-31 18:59                   ` [Lse-tech] [patch] sched-domain cleanups, sched-2.6.5-rc2-mm2-A3 Erich Focht
2004-03-31  2:08                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-31 22:23                   ` Erich Focht
2004-03-30 15:01             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-31 21:23               ` Erich Focht
2004-03-31 21:33                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-25 21:59   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-03-25 22:26     ` Rick Lindsley
2004-03-25 22:30     ` Andrew Theurer
2004-03-25 22:38       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-03-26  1:29       ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-26  3:23   ` Nick Piggin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-30 21:40 Nakajima, Jun
2004-03-30 22:15 ` Andrew Theurer
     [not found] <1DF7H-22Y-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1DL3x-7iG-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <1DLGd-7TS-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <1FmNz-72J-73@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <1FnzJ-7IW-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-30  9:39         ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-31  1:56           ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-25 15:15 Nakajima, Jun
2004-03-25 16:19 ` John Hawkes
2004-03-25 16:53 ` Martin J. Bligh

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