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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>
Cc: chrisw@osdl.org, andrea@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kenneth.w.chen@intel.com
Subject: Re: disable-cap-mlock
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:01:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040402150152.7675cf7e.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040402143639.G21045@build.pdx.osdl.net>

Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org> wrote:
>
> * Andrew Morton (akpm@osdl.org) wrote:
> > So I spent a few hours getting pam_cap to work, and indeed it is now doing the
> > right thing.  But the kernel is not.
> 
> Do you have a patch?  Seems it could be useful to get this and libcap back
> up-to-date .

http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/patches/stuff/pam_cap-akpm.tar.gz

> > 2) the kernel unconditionally removes CAP_SETPCAP in dummy_capget() so
> >    it is not possible for even a root-owned, otherwise-fully-capable task
> >    to raise capabilities on another task.  Period.
> 
> This is how the kernel was before the security stuff went in.  

That's my point, Chris.  "the feature is bollixed, so let's write a ton of
new parallel stuff but not fix the original code".  This is how cruft
accumulates.

> > I must say that I'm fairly disappointed that we developed and merged all
> > that fancy security stuff but nobody ever bothered to fix up the existing
> > simple capability code.
> 
> Our goal was actually to keep is compatible.  All of it's limitations
> predate the security stuff.

Either the fine-grained capabilities are fixable, or they should be deleted
and we go back to suser().  One of those things should have happened before
adding more code, surely?

> I'm not sure, but it likely has to do with anticipating having the fs
> bits of capabilities to do proper setting at execve().  I think basically
> nobody really uses capabilites except in either simple root drops a
> few privs ways (no exec), or within larger security models running as
> kernel modules.

Yup, we've talked about how you can drop caps in this way for *years* but I
don't think many people realised that this emperor is unclad.

> > I'm looking at securebits.h and wondering why that exists - there's no code
> > in-kernel to set the thing, although it is exported to modules.  Perhaps
> > securebits should be exposed in /proc and used to enable
> > retain-caps-across-execve.
> 
> IIRC, changing those (existing) securebits settings creates an unusable
> machine.  Again, I think there was some anticipation of the fs bits
> going in later.  Perhaps those securebits pieces could just be removed.

OK.  Do you have time to do the honours?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-02 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-01 13:59 disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-01 14:12 ` disable-cap-mlock Martin Zwickel
2004-04-01 16:48 ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 16:59   ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-01 17:11     ` disable-cap-mlock Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-04-01 17:16     ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 17:34       ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-01 17:38         ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 17:42           ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-01 17:37       ` disable-cap-mlock Stephen Smalley
2004-04-01 17:44         ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 17:49           ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-01 17:51           ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 18:12             ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 17:52           ` disable-cap-mlock Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-04-01 17:54             ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 18:47               ` disable-cap-mlock Stephen Smalley
2004-04-01 19:26                 ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 20:23                   ` disable-cap-mlock Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-04-01 21:13                     ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 21:31                       ` disable-cap-mlock Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-04-01 18:34       ` disable-cap-mlock Andrew Morton
2004-04-01 18:49         ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-01 18:52         ` disable-cap-mlock Chen, Kenneth W
2004-04-01 18:59         ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 19:27         ` disable-cap-mlock James Morris
2004-04-02 10:39   ` disable-cap-mlock Pavel Machek
2004-04-02 23:44     ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-01 19:44 ` disable-cap-mlock Rik van Riel
2004-04-01 19:52   ` disable-cap-mlock Andrew Morton
2004-04-01 22:36     ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-01 22:43       ` disable-cap-mlock Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-04-01 23:08       ` disable-cap-mlock Rik van Riel
2004-04-01 23:26         ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02  0:59           ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-01 22:29   ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02  1:07 ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-02  1:18   ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02  1:30     ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-02  1:35       ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02  2:04         ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-02  2:13           ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02  2:21             ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-02  2:38               ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02  2:48                 ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-02  1:30   ` disable-cap-mlock Andrew Morton
2004-04-02  1:59     ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-02  2:09       ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02  2:30         ` disable-cap-mlock Andrew Morton
2004-04-02  2:33           ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-02  2:45             ` disable-cap-mlock Andrew Morton
2004-04-02  2:51               ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-02  3:21                 ` disable-cap-mlock William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-02  2:41           ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02  2:49             ` disable-cap-mlock Andrew Morton
2004-04-02  3:07               ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02 21:35     ` disable-cap-mlock Andrew Morton
2004-04-02 22:36       ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-02 22:56         ` disable-cap-mlock Andrea Arcangeli
2004-04-02 23:01         ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2004-04-02 23:18           ` disable-cap-mlock Chris Wright
2004-04-05 12:13       ` disable-cap-mlock Stephen Smalley

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