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From: Muli Ben-Yehuda <mulix@mulix.org>
To: "Måns Rullgård" <mru@kth.se>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: What does tainting actually mean?
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:22:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040428142219.GC9820@mulix.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yw1x3c6omdwb.fsf@kth.se>

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On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 03:27:00PM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> Muli Ben-Yehuda <mulix@mulix.org> writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 02:48:30PM +0200, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> >> > Stack overflows in a badly written device driver can overwrite task
> >> > structures and cause apparent filesystem problems which are blamed on
> >> > the hapless filesystem authors instead of where the blame properly
> >> > lies, namely the device driver author.
> >> 
> >> Wouldn't the problem be just as difficult to pin to a certain module
> >> even if the source code was open?  I prefer open source modules (I
> >> have Alpha machines), but I just can't see this argument work.
> >
> > No. If the code is open, you can read it and find the bug - just by
> > reading it. If the code is closed, your only recourse is to observe
> > the corruption while it happens or read the assembly, which is quite a
> > lot more difficult. 
> 
> Something has to hint to as to which code to read.  The usual way to
> find the offending module is to remove modules until the problem goes
> away.  The availability of source code only matters when you have
> found which module actually has the bug.  

If it's closed, you may think you have found the bug, but you can't
verify. If it's open, you can. 

Cheers, 
Muli 
-- 
Muli Ben-Yehuda
http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/


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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-28 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-28  4:00 What does tainting actually mean? Nigel Cunningham
2004-04-28  4:27 ` Jurriaan
2004-04-28  4:30   ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-04-28  5:19     ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-28  5:18       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-04-28 12:10         ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-04-28 12:48           ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-28 13:04             ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2004-04-28 13:27               ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-28 14:22                 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda [this message]
2004-04-28 15:56           ` Joseph Pingenot
2004-04-28 16:01         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-03 12:45     ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-03 18:50       ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-04-28  5:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2004-04-28  6:51   ` Keith Duthie
2004-04-28 10:26   ` Ville Herva
2004-05-06 15:25 ` Anthony de Boer
     [not found] <04Apr28.020259edt.41801@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca>
2004-04-28  6:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-04-28 10:37   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz

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