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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: brettspamacct@fastclick.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ~500 megs cached yet 2.6.5 goes into swap hell
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:13:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040428181319.601decfc.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40904FD8.7020208@fastclick.com>

"Brett E." <brettspamacct@fastclick.com> wrote:
>
> > I see no swapout from the info which you sent.
> 
>  pgpgout/s gives the total number of blocks paged out to disk per second, 
>  it peaks at 13,000 and hovers around 3,000 per the attachment.

Nope.  pgpgout is simply writes to disk, of all types.

swapout is accounted for under pswpout and your vmstat trace shows a little
bit of (healthy) swapout with swappiness=100 and negligible swapout with
swappiness=0.  In both cases, negligible swapin.  That's all just fine.

>  Swapping out is good, but when that's coupled with swapping in as is the 
>  case on my side, it creates a thrashing situation where we swap out to 
>  disk pages which are being used, we then immediately swap those pages 
>  back in, etc etc..

Look at your "si" column in vmstat.  It's practically all zeroes.

>  The usage pattern by the way is on a server which continuously hits a 
>  database and reads files so I don't know what "swappiness" should be set 
>  to exactly.  Every hour or so it wants to untar tarballs and by then the 
>  cache is large. From here, the system swaps in and out more while cache 
>  decreases. Basically, it should do what I believe Solaris does... simply 
>  reclaim cache and not swap.  Capping cache would be good too but the 
>  best solution IMO is to simply reclaim the cache on an as-needed basis 
>  before thinking about swapping.

swappiness=100: swaps a lot.  swappiness=0: doesn't swap much.

With a funny workload like that you might choose to set swappiness to 0
just around the hourly tar operation, but as the machine seems to not be
swapping there doesn't seem to be a need.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-29  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-28 21:27 ~500 megs cached yet 2.6.5 goes into swap hell Brett E.
2004-04-29  0:01 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  0:10   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29  0:21     ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  0:50       ` Wakko Warner
2004-04-29  0:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29  0:54         ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  1:51           ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 21:45         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29  0:58       ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  3:48         ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  4:20           ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  4:26             ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 14:49               ` Marc Singer
2004-04-30  4:08                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 22:31                   ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  6:38             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29  7:36             ` Russell King
2004-04-29 10:44               ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 11:04                 ` Russell King
2004-04-29 14:52                   ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 20:01       ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 20:18         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 20:33         ` David B. Stevens
2004-04-29 22:42           ` Steve Youngs
2004-04-29 20:36         ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 21:19           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 21:34             ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 21:57               ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 22:18                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30  0:04                 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-30  0:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30  0:54                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30  5:38                       ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-30  6:00                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30  7:52                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30  8:02                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30  8:09                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-06 13:08             ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-07 15:53               ` Hugh Dickins
2004-05-07 16:57                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-07 17:30                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-07 17:43                     ` Hugh Dickins
2004-05-07 17:48                     ` Mark Frazer
2004-05-12 17:52                   ` Rob Landley
2004-05-17 20:16                     ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-29 21:38           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:47             ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 22:18               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:46                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 23:08                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 12:31                     ` Bart Samwel
2004-04-30 15:35                       ` Clay Haapala
2004-04-30 15:44                         ` Bart Samwel
2004-04-30 22:11                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30  3:37                 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30  5:15         ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30  6:20         ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30  6:34           ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30  7:05             ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30  7:15               ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30  9:18               ` Re[2]: " vda
2004-04-30  9:33                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-04-30 11:33                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 16:19                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29  0:49     ` Brett E.
2004-04-29  1:00       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  1:24         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29  1:40           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  1:47             ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 18:14               ` Adam Kropelin
2004-04-30  3:17                 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29  2:19             ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 16:24             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 16:36               ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-29 16:56                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29  1:30         ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29  1:31           ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29  1:53           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  2:40             ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  2:58               ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29  3:09                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  3:14                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29  6:12                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29  6:22                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  6:25                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29  6:31                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 16:50               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29  3:57             ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 14:29               ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30  3:00                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 12:50                   ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 13:07                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 13:18                     ` Nikita Danilov
2004-04-30 13:39                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  1:46         ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  1:57           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  2:29             ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  2:35               ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  3:10                 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  3:19                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  4:13                     ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  4:33                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 14:45                         ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 16:51                     ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-29 20:42                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 22:27                         ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-29 23:19                           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30  0:14                       ` Lincoln Dale
2004-04-29  8:02                   ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-04-29 14:25                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-04-29 14:27                       ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-04-29  2:41             ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  2:43               ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  1:41       ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29  9:43       ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-29 14:48         ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  0:44   ` Brett E.
2004-04-29  1:13     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2004-04-29  1:29       ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 18:05         ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 18:32           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 20:47             ` Brett E.
2004-04-29  0:04 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29  0:13   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29  0:43     ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 13:51   ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 18:32     ` Brett E.

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