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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Marc Singer <elf@buici.com>
Cc: riel@redhat.com, brettspamacct@fastclick.com, jgarzik@pobox.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ~500 megs cached yet 2.6.5 goes into swap hell
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:19:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040428201924.719dfb68.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040429031059.GA26060@buici.com>

Marc Singer <elf@buici.com> wrote:
>
> > That's what people have been asking for.  What are you suggesting should
> > happen instead?
> 
> I'm thinking that the problem is that the page cache is greedier that
> most people expect.  For example, if I could hold the page cache to be
> under a specific size, then I could do some performance measurements.
> E.g, compile kernel with a 768K page cache, 512K, 256K and 128K.  On a
> machine with loads of RAM, where's the optimal page cache size?

Nope, there's no point in leaving free memory floating about when the
kernel can and will reclaim clean pagecache on demand.

What you discuss above is just an implementation detail.  Forget it.  What
are the requirements?  Thus far I've seen

a) updatedb causes cache reclaim

b) updatedb causes swapout

c) prefer that openoffice/mozilla not get paged out when there's heavy
   pagecache demand.

For a) we don't really have a solution.  Some have been proposed but they
could have serious downsides.

For b) and c) we can tune the pageout-vs-cache reclaim tendency with
/proc/sys/vm/swappiness, only nobody seems to know that.

What else is there?

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-29  3:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-28 21:27 ~500 megs cached yet 2.6.5 goes into swap hell Brett E.
2004-04-29  0:01 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  0:10   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29  0:21     ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  0:50       ` Wakko Warner
2004-04-29  0:53         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29  0:54         ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  1:51           ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 21:45         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29  0:58       ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  3:48         ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  4:20           ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  4:26             ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 14:49               ` Marc Singer
2004-04-30  4:08                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 22:31                   ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  6:38             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29  7:36             ` Russell King
2004-04-29 10:44               ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 11:04                 ` Russell King
2004-04-29 14:52                   ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 20:01       ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 20:18         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 20:33         ` David B. Stevens
2004-04-29 22:42           ` Steve Youngs
2004-04-29 20:36         ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 21:19           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 21:34             ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 21:57               ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 22:18                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30  0:04                 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-30  0:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30  0:54                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30  5:38                       ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-30  6:00                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30  7:52                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30  8:02                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30  8:09                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-06 13:08             ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-07 15:53               ` Hugh Dickins
2004-05-07 16:57                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-07 17:30                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-07 17:43                     ` Hugh Dickins
2004-05-07 17:48                     ` Mark Frazer
2004-05-12 17:52                   ` Rob Landley
2004-05-17 20:16                     ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-29 21:38           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:47             ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 22:18               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:46                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 23:08                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 12:31                     ` Bart Samwel
2004-04-30 15:35                       ` Clay Haapala
2004-04-30 15:44                         ` Bart Samwel
2004-04-30 22:11                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30  3:37                 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30  5:15         ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30  6:20         ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30  6:34           ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30  7:05             ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30  7:15               ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30  9:18               ` Re[2]: " vda
2004-04-30  9:33                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-04-30 11:33                   ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 16:19                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29  0:49     ` Brett E.
2004-04-29  1:00       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  1:24         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29  1:40           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  1:47             ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 18:14               ` Adam Kropelin
2004-04-30  3:17                 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29  2:19             ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 16:24             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 16:36               ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-29 16:56                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29  1:30         ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29  1:31           ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29  1:53           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  2:40             ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  2:58               ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29  3:09                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  3:14                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29  6:12                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29  6:22                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  6:25                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29  6:31                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 16:50               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29  3:57             ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 14:29               ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30  3:00                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 12:50                   ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 13:07                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 13:18                     ` Nikita Danilov
2004-04-30 13:39                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  1:46         ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  1:57           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  2:29             ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  2:35               ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  3:10                 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  3:19                   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2004-04-29  4:13                     ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  4:33                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 14:45                         ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 16:51                     ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-29 20:42                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 22:27                         ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-29 23:19                           ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30  0:14                       ` Lincoln Dale
2004-04-29  8:02                   ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-04-29 14:25                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-04-29 14:27                       ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-04-29  2:41             ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  2:43               ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  1:41       ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29  9:43       ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-29 14:48         ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29  0:44   ` Brett E.
2004-04-29  1:13     ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29  1:29       ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 18:05         ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 18:32           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 20:47             ` Brett E.
2004-04-29  0:04 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29  0:13   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29  0:43     ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 13:51   ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 18:32     ` Brett E.

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