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From: viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk
To: Giuliano Colla <copeca@copeca.dsnet.it>
Cc: Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <c-d.hailfinger.kernel.2004@gmx.net>,
	hsflinux@lists.mbsi.ca, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [hsflinux] [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their	license
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:08:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040429190818.GK17014@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40914C35.1030802@copeca.dsnet.it>

On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 08:40:53PM +0200, Giuliano Colla wrote:
> As an end user, if I buy a full fledged modem, I get some amount of 
> proprietary, non GPL, code  which executes within the board or the 
> PCMCIA card of the modem. The GPL driver may even support the 
> functionality of downloading a new version of *proprietary* code into 
> the flash Eprom of the device. The GPL linux driver interfaces with it, 
> and all is kosher.
> On the other hand, I have the misfortune of being stuck with a 
> soft-modem, roughly the *same* proprietary code is provided as a binary 
> file, and a linux driver (source provided) interfaces with it. In that 
> case the kernel is flagged as "tainted".
> 
> But in both cases, if the driver is poorly written, because of 
> developer's inadequacy, or because of the proprietary code being poorly 
> documented and/or implemented, my kernel may go nuts, be it tainted or not.
> 
> Can you honestly tell apart the two cases, if you don't make a it a case 
> of "religion war"?

Yes.  *Especially* outside of religious wars - while fuckup capabilities
of Joe Random Driver Monkey are unlimited, there is a difference between
the impact of fuckups in the code that runs on CPU and in the code that
runs on peripherial.  If nothing else, the latter is less likely to try
anything cute and tricky with locking.

In other words, with code running on the host CPU  lusers have much, much
more ways to luse, luse again when trying to "fix" things and make it
harder to figure out what had caused the bloody mess.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-29 19:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-27  2:09 [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27  3:13 ` Gilles May
2004-04-27  4:42   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-04-27  9:58     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27  4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-27  6:04   ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-27  9:21     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 10:37       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 12:59         ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-27 13:12           ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license (-> possible GPL violation :) Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 14:10             ` Tim Connors
2004-04-27 17:05           ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Juergen E. Fischer
2004-04-27 18:58           ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-28 22:55             ` Timothy Miller
     [not found]           ` <fa.f05evul.1qmg8gd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-04-27 21:17             ` Junio C Hamano
2004-04-27 21:33               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 23:24           ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 18:52   ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-27  5:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-04-27  7:03   ` Grzegorz Piotr Jaskiewicz
2004-04-29 18:40 ` [hsflinux] " Giuliano Colla
2004-04-29 19:08   ` viro [this message]
2004-04-29 19:29     ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-29 20:24   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:32     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:12       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:20         ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 23:01           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30  6:01             ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-04-30  9:33               ` Symbios and BIOS (was: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license) Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 11:07                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-06 15:06       ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Pavel Machek
2004-04-29 21:10   ` [hsflinux] " Linus Torvalds
2004-04-29 21:44     ` viro
2004-04-30 13:37     ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 14:14       ` Arthur Perry
2004-04-30 18:14         ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 15:55       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 19:27         ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 20:29           ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-02  8:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-02 22:26             ` Giuliano Colla
2004-05-03  1:21               ` David Lang
2004-05-04 17:27                 ` Timothy Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-27 13:43 Albert Cahalan
2004-04-27 16:18 ` Jon
2004-04-27 16:58   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:25     ` Adam Jaskiewicz
2004-04-27 17:33       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:46         ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 17:53           ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:10             ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:37               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-27 20:44                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:54             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-27 19:03               ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 19:16                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 19:41                   ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 20:18                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 11:23               ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 18:10           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 18:30             ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:40               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28  0:08               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 19:54         ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-28 11:28         ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 23:12     ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28  0:02       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28  0:25         ` David Gibson
2004-04-28  1:14           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28  3:23             ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28  6:04               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 17:05                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 17:37             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:31               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:46                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29  0:02                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  0:40                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  2:20                     ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29  2:31                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29  2:36                     ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29  2:38                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  2:47                         ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29  2:47                       ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 22:47                         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 15:57                     ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-29 15:15                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 15:14                     ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 21:00                       ` Paul Wagland
2004-04-29 21:36                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:45                           ` viro
2004-04-29 21:47                           ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-29 22:24                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:32                               ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-29 22:49                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:40                               ` viro
2004-04-29 23:55                               ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  2:15                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30  4:18                                   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30  4:32                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-04-30 14:49                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 16:10                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:01                                         ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-30  4:43                                   ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  5:44                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30  6:13                                       ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  8:04                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30  8:48                                         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 15:06                                         ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-30 15:43                                           ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-30 16:10                                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 16:30                                               ` Chris Friesen
2004-05-10  6:25                                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2004-05-10  7:08                                                   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-30 16:31                                               ` Gilles May
2004-04-30 16:50                                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:44                                                   ` Michael Poole
2004-04-30 18:46                                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 19:17                                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:26                                                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:52                                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 18:22                                               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:01                                           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30  8:47                                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30  9:31                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 15:57                                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 17:14                                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:46                                     ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 18:27                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 11:49                           ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-30 16:20                             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:03                               ` Gene Heskett
2004-04-30  9:16                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 23:43             ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-28  1:57         ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28  3:28           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 11:47             ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 16:15               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:32                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:41                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:41                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 23:03                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 13:06                 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 14:03             ` Tom Sightler
2004-04-28 16:40               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 22:08                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-04-28 23:00                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 23:54                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 23:17     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-28  2:10     ` Horst von Brand

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