From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: bart@samwel.tk
Cc: miller@techsource.com, vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl,
nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, jgarzik@pobox.com, akpm@osdl.org,
brettspamacct@fastclick.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ~500 megs cached yet 2.6.5 goes into swap hell
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:11:38 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040430151138.73bb98c9.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1083328293.2204.53.camel@samwel.tk>
> Thought experiment: what would happen when you set the hypothetical
> cpu-nice and io-nice knobs very differently?
If there was one, single implementation hook in the kernel where making
some decision depend on a user setting cleanly adapted both i/o and cpu
priority, then yes, your thought experiment would recommend that this
one hook was sufficient, and lead to a single user knob to control it.
But in this case, there are obviously two implementation hooks - the
classic one in the scheduler that affects cpu usage, and another off in
some i/o code that affects i/o usage.
So then the question comes - do we have one knob over this that is
ganged to both hooks, or do we have two knobs, one per hook.
Ganging these two hooks together, to control them in synchrony to a
single user setting, is a policy choice. It's saying that we don't
think you will ever want to run them out of sync, so as a matter of
policy, we are ganging them together.
I prefer to avoid nonessential policy in the kernel. Best to simply
expose each independent kernel facility, 1-to-1, to the user. Let
them decide when and if if these two settings should be ganged.
I find gratuitous (not needed for system reliability) policy in the
kernel to be a greater negative than another system call.
--
I won't rest till it's the best ...
Programmer, Linux Scalability
Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.650.933.1373
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-30 22:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-28 21:27 ~500 megs cached yet 2.6.5 goes into swap hell Brett E.
2004-04-29 0:01 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 0:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29 0:21 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 0:50 ` Wakko Warner
2004-04-29 0:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29 0:54 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 1:51 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 21:45 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 0:58 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 3:48 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 4:20 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 4:26 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 14:49 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-30 4:08 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 22:31 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 6:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 7:36 ` Russell King
2004-04-29 10:44 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 11:04 ` Russell King
2004-04-29 14:52 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 20:01 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 20:18 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 20:33 ` David B. Stevens
2004-04-29 22:42 ` Steve Youngs
2004-04-29 20:36 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 21:19 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 21:34 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 21:57 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 22:18 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30 0:04 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-30 0:32 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30 0:54 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-30 5:38 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-30 6:00 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 7:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30 8:02 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30 8:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-06 13:08 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-07 15:53 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-05-07 16:57 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-07 17:30 ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-07 17:43 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-05-07 17:48 ` Mark Frazer
2004-05-12 17:52 ` Rob Landley
2004-05-17 20:16 ` Hugh Dickins
2004-04-29 21:38 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:47 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 22:18 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:46 ` Paul Jackson
2004-04-29 23:08 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 12:31 ` Bart Samwel
2004-04-30 15:35 ` Clay Haapala
2004-04-30 15:44 ` Bart Samwel
2004-04-30 22:11 ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2004-04-30 3:37 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 5:15 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 6:20 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 6:34 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 7:05 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 7:15 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 9:18 ` Re[2]: " vda
2004-04-30 9:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-04-30 11:33 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 16:19 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 0:49 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 1:00 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 1:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29 1:40 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 1:47 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 18:14 ` Adam Kropelin
2004-04-30 3:17 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 2:19 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 16:24 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 16:36 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-29 16:56 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 1:30 ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29 1:31 ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29 1:53 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 2:40 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 2:58 ` Paul Mackerras
2004-04-29 3:09 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 3:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 6:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 6:22 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 6:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-04-29 6:31 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 16:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-04-29 3:57 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 14:29 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 3:00 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 12:50 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 13:07 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-30 13:18 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-04-30 13:39 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 1:46 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 1:57 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 2:29 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 2:35 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 3:10 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 3:19 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 4:13 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 4:33 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 14:45 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 16:51 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-29 20:42 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 22:27 ` Andy Isaacson
2004-04-29 23:19 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-30 0:14 ` Lincoln Dale
2004-04-29 8:02 ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-04-29 14:25 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-04-29 14:27 ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-04-29 2:41 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 2:43 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 1:41 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-29 9:43 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-29 14:48 ` Marc Singer
2004-04-29 0:44 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 1:13 ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-29 1:29 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 18:05 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 18:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-04-29 20:47 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 0:04 ` Brett E.
2004-04-29 0:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-29 0:43 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 13:51 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 18:32 ` Brett E.
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