* Re: ne2k-pci uncorrectly detecting collisions ?
2004-05-05 12:35 ne2k-pci uncorrectly detecting collisions ? Lucas Nussbaum
@ 2004-05-04 12:55 ` backblue
2004-05-05 13:00 ` Richard B. Johnson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: backblue @ 2004-05-04 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lucas Nussbaum, linux-kernel
I think that problem, it's because hardware, ne2k-pci NIC's and all realtek stuff, are chip NIC's that it's not suposed to use in that way, i have many problems like that, with realtek NIC's, but when i used real NIC's like 3com, you dont have any problems at all!
The realtek's NIC's starts complaining because another ones, they dont live well together! :)
Buy 3com nic's. :)
good luck
On Wed, 5 May 2004 14:35:32 +0200
Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have experienced problem with the ne2k-pci driver. The symptoms were
> extremly poor performance with TCP. After some investigations, I believe
> it might be caused by problems with detecting collisions.
>
> I tested with 3 cards :
> - eth1 : RTL8029 - not working properly
> the chip says RTL8029, but lspci says RTL8029(AS)
> - eth2 : RTL8029AS - working.
> - eth3 : RTL8029AS - not working properly
> lspci for all three cards :
> 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)
>
> The same problem was experienced on FreeBSD, but it hurts a lot to say
> that there wasn't any problem when I tested under Windows - so it's
> probably not a broken card problem.
>
> All 3 NICs were in the same box, using the same ne2k-pci driver compiled
> as a module (kernel version is 2.4.24). They used the same 10/100 Hub to
> talk to the same NIC on the other end. Traffic on the network during the
> test was quite low but not nonexistent.
>
> As you can see :
> - throughput for eth1 and eth3 with TCP is extremly low.
> - throughput with UDP is normal.
> - eth1 and eth3 saw no collisions, but eth2 saw a lot.
> - eth1 and eth3 saw lots of frame errors, but eth2 saw much less.
>
> Here are the detailed test results. I can provide more results if needed.
> + ifconfig eth1 down
> + ifconfig eth2 down
> + ifconfig eth3 down
> + rmmod ne2k-pci
> + modprobe ne2k-pci
> + ifconfig eth1 172.36.1.2
> + ifconfig eth2 172.37.1.2
> + ifconfig eth3 172.38.1.2
> + netperf -H 172.36.1.1 -l 20
> TCP STREAM TEST to 172.36.1.1
> Recv Send Send
> Socket Socket Message Elapsed
> Size Size Size Time Throughput
> bytes bytes bytes secs. 10^6bits/sec
>
> 87380 16384 16384 20.18 0.59
> + netperf -H 172.37.1.1 -l 20
> TCP STREAM TEST to 172.37.1.1
> Recv Send Send
> Socket Socket Message Elapsed
> Size Size Size Time Throughput
> bytes bytes bytes secs. 10^6bits/sec
>
> 87380 16384 16384 20.04 8.54
> + netperf -H 172.38.1.1 -l 20
> TCP STREAM TEST to 172.38.1.1
> Recv Send Send
> Socket Socket Message Elapsed
> Size Size Size Time Throughput
> bytes bytes bytes secs. 10^6bits/sec
>
> 87380 16384 16384 20.05 0.56
> + netperf -t UDP_STREAM -H 172.36.1.1 -l 20 -- -m 1472
> UDP UNIDIRECTIONAL SEND TEST to 172.36.1.1
> Socket Message Elapsed Messages
> Size Size Time Okay Errors Throughput
> bytes bytes secs # # 10^6bits/sec
>
> 65535 1472 20.00 16027 0 9.44
> 65535 20.00 15216 8.96
>
> + netperf -t UDP_STREAM -H 172.37.1.1 -l 20 -- -m 1472
> UDP UNIDIRECTIONAL SEND TEST to 172.37.1.1
> Socket Message Elapsed Messages
> Size Size Time Okay Errors Throughput
> bytes bytes secs # # 10^6bits/sec
>
> 65535 1472 19.99 15326 0 9.03
> 65535 19.99 15326 9.03
>
> + netperf -t UDP_STREAM -H 172.38.1.1 -l 20 -- -m 1472
> UDP UNIDIRECTIONAL SEND TEST to 172.38.1.1
> Socket Message Elapsed Messages
> Size Size Time Okay Errors Throughput
> bytes bytes secs # # 10^6bits/sec
>
> 65535 1472 20.00 16008 0 9.43
> 65535 20.00 15593 9.18
>
> + netstat -i
> Table d'interfaces noyau
> Iface MTU Met RX-OK RX-ERR RX-DRP RX-OVR TX-OK TX-ERR TX-DRP TX-OVR Flg
> eth0 1500 0 140926 0 0 0 232637 0 0 0 BMRU
> eth1 1500 0 1049 0 0 0 17292 0 0 0 BMRU
> eth2 1500 0 7421 0 0 0 30134 0 0 0 BMRU
> eth3 1500 0 982 0 0 0 17201 0 0 0 BMRU
> lo 16436 0 22831 0 0 0 22831 0 0 0 LRU
> + ifconfig eth1
> eth1 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:E8:D7:E9:46
> inet adr:172.36.1.2 Bcast:172.36.255.255 Masque:255.255.0.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:1049 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:165
> TX packets:17292 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:0 lg file transmission:1000
> RX bytes:75796 (74.0 KiB) TX bytes:26148738 (24.9 MiB)
> Interruption:5 Adresse de base:0xd800
>
> + ifconfig eth2
> eth2 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:7D:75:C2:D7
> inet adr:172.37.1.2 Bcast:172.37.255.255 Masque:255.255.0.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:7421 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:27
> TX packets:30134 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:225 lg file transmission:1000
> RX bytes:491544 (480.0 KiB) TX bytes:45590838 (43.4 MiB)
> Interruption:9 Adresse de base:0xdc00
>
> + ifconfig eth3
> eth3 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:E8:74:0E:1A
> inet adr:172.38.1.2 Bcast:172.38.255.255 Masque:255.255.0.0
> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
> RX packets:982 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:147
> TX packets:17201 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> collisions:0 lg file transmission:1000
> RX bytes:71062 (69.3 KiB) TX bytes:26010052 (24.8 MiB)
> Interruption:11 Adresse de base:0xe000
>
> Thank you,
> --
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* ne2k-pci uncorrectly detecting collisions ?
@ 2004-05-05 12:35 Lucas Nussbaum
2004-05-04 12:55 ` backblue
2004-05-05 13:00 ` Richard B. Johnson
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Lucas Nussbaum @ 2004-05-05 12:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel
Hello,
I have experienced problem with the ne2k-pci driver. The symptoms were
extremly poor performance with TCP. After some investigations, I believe
it might be caused by problems with detecting collisions.
I tested with 3 cards :
- eth1 : RTL8029 - not working properly
the chip says RTL8029, but lspci says RTL8029(AS)
- eth2 : RTL8029AS - working.
- eth3 : RTL8029AS - not working properly
lspci for all three cards :
00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)
The same problem was experienced on FreeBSD, but it hurts a lot to say
that there wasn't any problem when I tested under Windows - so it's
probably not a broken card problem.
All 3 NICs were in the same box, using the same ne2k-pci driver compiled
as a module (kernel version is 2.4.24). They used the same 10/100 Hub to
talk to the same NIC on the other end. Traffic on the network during the
test was quite low but not nonexistent.
As you can see :
- throughput for eth1 and eth3 with TCP is extremly low.
- throughput with UDP is normal.
- eth1 and eth3 saw no collisions, but eth2 saw a lot.
- eth1 and eth3 saw lots of frame errors, but eth2 saw much less.
Here are the detailed test results. I can provide more results if needed.
+ ifconfig eth1 down
+ ifconfig eth2 down
+ ifconfig eth3 down
+ rmmod ne2k-pci
+ modprobe ne2k-pci
+ ifconfig eth1 172.36.1.2
+ ifconfig eth2 172.37.1.2
+ ifconfig eth3 172.38.1.2
+ netperf -H 172.36.1.1 -l 20
TCP STREAM TEST to 172.36.1.1
Recv Send Send
Socket Socket Message Elapsed
Size Size Size Time Throughput
bytes bytes bytes secs. 10^6bits/sec
87380 16384 16384 20.18 0.59
+ netperf -H 172.37.1.1 -l 20
TCP STREAM TEST to 172.37.1.1
Recv Send Send
Socket Socket Message Elapsed
Size Size Size Time Throughput
bytes bytes bytes secs. 10^6bits/sec
87380 16384 16384 20.04 8.54
+ netperf -H 172.38.1.1 -l 20
TCP STREAM TEST to 172.38.1.1
Recv Send Send
Socket Socket Message Elapsed
Size Size Size Time Throughput
bytes bytes bytes secs. 10^6bits/sec
87380 16384 16384 20.05 0.56
+ netperf -t UDP_STREAM -H 172.36.1.1 -l 20 -- -m 1472
UDP UNIDIRECTIONAL SEND TEST to 172.36.1.1
Socket Message Elapsed Messages
Size Size Time Okay Errors Throughput
bytes bytes secs # # 10^6bits/sec
65535 1472 20.00 16027 0 9.44
65535 20.00 15216 8.96
+ netperf -t UDP_STREAM -H 172.37.1.1 -l 20 -- -m 1472
UDP UNIDIRECTIONAL SEND TEST to 172.37.1.1
Socket Message Elapsed Messages
Size Size Time Okay Errors Throughput
bytes bytes secs # # 10^6bits/sec
65535 1472 19.99 15326 0 9.03
65535 19.99 15326 9.03
+ netperf -t UDP_STREAM -H 172.38.1.1 -l 20 -- -m 1472
UDP UNIDIRECTIONAL SEND TEST to 172.38.1.1
Socket Message Elapsed Messages
Size Size Time Okay Errors Throughput
bytes bytes secs # # 10^6bits/sec
65535 1472 20.00 16008 0 9.43
65535 20.00 15593 9.18
+ netstat -i
Table d'interfaces noyau
Iface MTU Met RX-OK RX-ERR RX-DRP RX-OVR TX-OK TX-ERR TX-DRP TX-OVR Flg
eth0 1500 0 140926 0 0 0 232637 0 0 0 BMRU
eth1 1500 0 1049 0 0 0 17292 0 0 0 BMRU
eth2 1500 0 7421 0 0 0 30134 0 0 0 BMRU
eth3 1500 0 982 0 0 0 17201 0 0 0 BMRU
lo 16436 0 22831 0 0 0 22831 0 0 0 LRU
+ ifconfig eth1
eth1 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:E8:D7:E9:46
inet adr:172.36.1.2 Bcast:172.36.255.255 Masque:255.255.0.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:1049 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:165
TX packets:17292 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 lg file transmission:1000
RX bytes:75796 (74.0 KiB) TX bytes:26148738 (24.9 MiB)
Interruption:5 Adresse de base:0xd800
+ ifconfig eth2
eth2 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:E0:7D:75:C2:D7
inet adr:172.37.1.2 Bcast:172.37.255.255 Masque:255.255.0.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:7421 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:27
TX packets:30134 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:225 lg file transmission:1000
RX bytes:491544 (480.0 KiB) TX bytes:45590838 (43.4 MiB)
Interruption:9 Adresse de base:0xdc00
+ ifconfig eth3
eth3 Lien encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:E8:74:0E:1A
inet adr:172.38.1.2 Bcast:172.38.255.255 Masque:255.255.0.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:982 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:147
TX packets:17201 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 lg file transmission:1000
RX bytes:71062 (69.3 KiB) TX bytes:26010052 (24.8 MiB)
Interruption:11 Adresse de base:0xe000
Thank you,
--
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* Re: ne2k-pci uncorrectly detecting collisions ?
2004-05-05 12:35 ne2k-pci uncorrectly detecting collisions ? Lucas Nussbaum
2004-05-04 12:55 ` backblue
@ 2004-05-05 13:00 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-05-05 13:10 ` Lucas Nussbaum
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Richard B. Johnson @ 2004-05-05 13:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lucas Nussbaum; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Wed, 5 May 2004, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have experienced problem with the ne2k-pci driver. The symptoms were
> extremly poor performance with TCP. After some investigations, I believe
> it might be caused by problems with detecting collisions.
>
But software doesn't detect collisions. It just records what
hardware said it did. It looks like you have a 10 Mb/s card
on a 100 Mb/s network. The collisions reported are how the
hardware throttles the difference in physical-link speed.
It is possible that software didn't initialize a 100 Mb/s
device and instead initialized it to 10 Mb/s, but you
don't have any evidence of that presented.
Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.26 on an i686 machine (5557.45 BogoMips).
Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.
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* Re: ne2k-pci uncorrectly detecting collisions ?
2004-05-05 13:00 ` Richard B. Johnson
@ 2004-05-05 13:10 ` Lucas Nussbaum
2004-05-05 19:45 ` Denis Vlasenko
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Lucas Nussbaum @ 2004-05-05 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard B. Johnson; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 09:00:50AM -0400, "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com> wrote:
> > I have experienced problem with the ne2k-pci driver. The symptoms were
> > extremly poor performance with TCP. After some investigations, I believe
> > it might be caused by problems with detecting collisions.
> >
>
> But software doesn't detect collisions. It just records what
> hardware said it did. It looks like you have a 10 Mb/s card
> on a 100 Mb/s network. The collisions reported are how the
> hardware throttles the difference in physical-link speed.
The hub is a 10/100 one, and the 3 RTL8029 are 10 Mbps only.
> It is possible that software didn't initialize a 100 Mb/s
> device and instead initialized it to 10 Mb/s, but you
> don't have any evidence of that presented.
No, because RTL8029 are 10 mbps only (they are BNC/RJ45 NICs).
But what I thought was that maybe, they were initialised as full duplex,
not half duplex. But again, I don't know where I can check that. I added
some printks and determined that the code used to init them full duplex
was never used. And there's no way to force them half duplex with this
driver.
Lucas
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* Re: ne2k-pci uncorrectly detecting collisions ?
2004-05-05 13:10 ` Lucas Nussbaum
@ 2004-05-05 19:45 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-06 9:52 ` Lucas Nussbaum
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Denis Vlasenko @ 2004-05-05 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lucas Nussbaum, Richard B. Johnson; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Wednesday 05 May 2004 16:10, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 09:00:50AM -0400, "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com> wrote:
> > > I have experienced problem with the ne2k-pci driver. The symptoms were
> > > extremly poor performance with TCP. After some investigations, I
> > > believe it might be caused by problems with detecting collisions.
> >
> > But software doesn't detect collisions. It just records what
> > hardware said it did. It looks like you have a 10 Mb/s card
> > on a 100 Mb/s network. The collisions reported are how the
> > hardware throttles the difference in physical-link speed.
>
> The hub is a 10/100 one, and the 3 RTL8029 are 10 Mbps only.
>
> > It is possible that software didn't initialize a 100 Mb/s
> > device and instead initialized it to 10 Mb/s, but you
> > don't have any evidence of that presented.
>
> No, because RTL8029 are 10 mbps only (they are BNC/RJ45 NICs).
>
> But what I thought was that maybe, they were initialised as full duplex,
> not half duplex. But again, I don't know where I can check that. I added
> some printks and determined that the code used to init them full duplex
> was never used. And there's no way to force them half duplex with this
> driver.
There is a DOS utility which configure duplex settings for RTL8029.
Also check /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports for IRQ/ioport collisions.
--
vda
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* Re: ne2k-pci uncorrectly detecting collisions ?
2004-05-05 19:45 ` Denis Vlasenko
@ 2004-05-06 9:52 ` Lucas Nussbaum
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Lucas Nussbaum @ 2004-05-06 9:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Denis Vlasenko; +Cc: linux-kernel
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 10:45:39PM +0300, Denis Vlasenko <vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> wrote:
> > But what I thought was that maybe, they were initialised as full duplex,
> > not half duplex. But again, I don't know where I can check that. I added
> > some printks and determined that the code used to init them full duplex
> > was never used. And there's no way to force them half duplex with this
> > driver.
>
> There is a DOS utility which configure duplex settings for RTL8029.
Thanks a lot, that did the trick.
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