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From: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl>
To: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>
Cc: Marc Boucher <marc@linuxant.com>,
	Sean Estabrooks <seanlkml@rogers.com>,
	david@gibson.dropbear.id.au, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	miller@techsource.com, riel@redhat.com, koke@sindominio.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@osdl.org,
	Tigran Aivazian <tigran@aivazian.fsnet.co.uk>,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, paul@wagland.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 08:25:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040510062556.GA1565@bitwizard.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40927F21.9010703@nortelnetworks.com>

On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 12:30:25PM -0400, Chris Friesen wrote:
> Marc Boucher wrote:
> >
> >Chris,
> >
> >people should, before insulting us publicly or make unsubstantiated 
> >claims that we "lie" or engage in "illegal" actions, perhaps consult a 
> >lawyer, and simultaneously use the opportunity to enquire about the 
> >meaning of "slander".
> 
> The C string library considers a null to terminate the string.  You added a 
> null after the "GPL". It appears to me that this is telling the kernel that 
> the module is licensed as "GPL", even though it is obvious to a person 

How about the following:

The MODULE_LICENCE macro is a technical way of indicating the licence
to the kernel. There are various ways of putting "comments and remarks"
about the licence in the source code, but techically, if 
	strcmp (MODULE_LICENCE, "GPL") == 0
then the module is licenced under GPL.  (*)

For example, I like the following licence:

	MODULE_LICENCE ("GPL"); 
	/* The GPL licence allows you to distribute changes yourself, 
	   but in fact I would prefer if you contact me with your 
	   patches */

Now it might be that some vendors have written aditional comments
in such a way that they make it into the binary. Fine. 

If some vendor tells the kernel that it's licence is "GPL" then 
that's fine. The kernel then has the right to point the users to their
rights. 

So I would support that new kernels to do something like: 

	if (module_is_probably_lying ()) {
		printk (KERN_WARN "Loading module XXX, which indicates "
			"that it has a GPL licence. This gives YOU\n");
		printf (KERN_WARN "(the user) certain rights. Read "
			"about those rights at: www.fsf.org/.....\n");
		printf (KERN_WARN "and www.kernel.org/linux-gpl-modules.html\n"); 
	}

The linux-gpl-modules.html URL would explain that some vendors 
are telling the kernel that their module is under GPL, but are 
refusing to release source code. The users should be urged to politely
ask the vendor for the source.

		Roger. 

(*) There could be bugs in code. For example, 

	errorcode = somefunction (....);
	if (errorcode = ERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) {
		/* Handle the not found case */

	}

is perfectly clear to humans what was meant, but the computer understands
otherwise. It is quite possible that the vendors involved in this case
will claim they might have had a bug in their code. 

-- 
** R.E.Wolff@BitWizard.nl ** http://www.BitWizard.nl/ ** +31-15-2600998 **
*-- BitWizard writes Linux device drivers for any device you may have! --*
**** "Linux is like a wigwam -  no windows, no gates, apache inside!" ****

  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-10  6:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 197+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-27 13:43 [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Albert Cahalan
2004-04-27 16:18 ` Jon
2004-04-27 16:58   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:25     ` Adam Jaskiewicz
2004-04-27 17:33       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:46         ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 17:53           ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:10             ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:37               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-27 20:44                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:54             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-27 19:03               ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 19:16                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 19:41                   ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 20:18                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 11:23               ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 18:10           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 18:30             ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:40               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28  0:08               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 19:54         ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-28 11:28         ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 23:12     ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28  0:02       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28  0:25         ` David Gibson
2004-04-28  1:14           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28  3:23             ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28  6:04               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 17:05                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 17:37             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:31               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:46                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29  0:02                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  0:40                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  2:20                     ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29  2:31                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29  2:36                     ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29  2:38                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  2:47                         ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29  2:47                       ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 22:47                         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 15:57                     ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-29 15:15                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 15:14                     ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 21:00                       ` Paul Wagland
2004-04-29 21:36                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:45                           ` viro
2004-04-29 21:47                           ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-29 22:24                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:32                               ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-29 22:49                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:40                               ` viro
2004-04-29 23:55                               ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  2:15                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30  4:18                                   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30  4:32                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-04-30 14:49                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 16:10                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:01                                         ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-30  4:43                                   ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  5:44                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30  6:13                                       ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  8:04                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30  8:48                                         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 15:06                                         ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-30 15:43                                           ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-30 16:10                                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 16:30                                               ` Chris Friesen
2004-05-10  6:25                                                 ` Rogier Wolff [this message]
2004-05-10  7:08                                                   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-30 16:31                                               ` Gilles May
2004-04-30 16:50                                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:44                                                   ` Michael Poole
2004-04-30 18:46                                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 19:17                                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:26                                                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:52                                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 18:22                                               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:01                                           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30  8:47                                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30  9:31                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 15:57                                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 17:14                                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:46                                     ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 18:27                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 11:49                           ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-30 16:20                             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:03                               ` Gene Heskett
2004-04-30  9:16                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 23:43             ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-28  1:57         ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28  3:28           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 11:47             ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 16:15               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:32                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:41                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:41                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 23:03                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 13:06                 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 14:03             ` Tom Sightler
2004-04-28 16:40               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 22:08                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-04-28 23:00                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 23:54                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 23:17     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-28  2:10     ` Horst von Brand
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-30 20:02 Keith D Burgess Jr
     [not found] <009701c42edf$25e47390$ca41cb3f@amer.cisco.com>
     [not found] ` <40929F5B.9090603@techsource.com>
2004-04-30 18:58   ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:14   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 19:37   ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:11   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:26     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:39       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:53           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 21:10             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:46         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 20:34     ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-05-01  0:40     ` Jorge Bernal
2004-05-01  5:07     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 19:12       ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 19:27         ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-01 19:32         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-05-01 19:33         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:14           ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-05-01 19:47         ` Nicolas Pitre
2004-05-01 20:47         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 20:58           ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-03  0:04         ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-30 17:47 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-30 18:39 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-30 20:37 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 14:55 Rick Zeman
2004-04-28 18:56 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-28 23:45 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 22:48 ` David Woodhouse
     [not found] <20040428011348.GA22754@hockin.org>
2004-04-28  1:33 ` Robert M. Stockmann
     [not found] <20040428003034.GA20811@hockin.org>
2004-04-28  0:56 ` Robert M. Stockmann
     [not found] <20040428000952.GA19522@hockin.org>
2004-04-28  0:18 ` Robert M. Stockmann
     [not found] <878ygh147m.fsf@sanosuke.troilus.org>
2004-04-27 22:59 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:05   ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:30     ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:41       ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:59         ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01  9:19           ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 22:17 Nick Warne
2004-04-27 21:34 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01  9:15 ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 19:03 Steve Lee
2004-04-27 19:37 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-27  2:09 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27  3:13 ` Gilles May
2004-04-27  4:42   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-04-27  9:58     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27  4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-27  6:04   ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-27  9:21     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 10:37       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 12:59         ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-27 13:12           ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license (-> possible GPL violation :) Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 14:10             ` Tim Connors
2004-04-27 17:05           ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Juergen E. Fischer
2004-04-27 18:58           ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-28 22:55             ` Timothy Miller
     [not found]           ` <fa.f05evul.1qmg8gd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-04-27 21:17             ` Junio C Hamano
2004-04-27 21:33               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 23:24           ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 18:52   ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-27  5:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-04-27  7:03   ` Grzegorz Piotr Jaskiewicz
2004-04-29 18:40 ` [hsflinux] " Giuliano Colla
2004-04-29 19:08   ` viro
2004-04-29 19:29     ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-29 20:24   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:32     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:12       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:20         ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 23:01           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30  6:01             ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-04-30  9:33               ` Symbios and BIOS (was: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license) Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 11:07                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-06 15:06       ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Pavel Machek
2004-04-29 21:10   ` [hsflinux] " Linus Torvalds
2004-04-29 21:44     ` viro
2004-04-30 13:37     ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 14:14       ` Arthur Perry
2004-04-30 18:14         ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 15:55       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 19:27         ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 20:29           ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-02  8:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-02 22:26             ` Giuliano Colla
2004-05-03  1:21               ` David Lang
2004-05-04 17:27                 ` Timothy Miller

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