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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Phy Prabab <phyprabab@yahoo.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 4g/4g for 2.6.6
Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:39:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040524023952.GL1833@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405231329460.25502@ppc970.osdl.org>

On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 01:32:19PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Quite frankly, a number of us are hoping that we can make them
> unnecessary. The cost of the 4g/4g split is absolutely _huge_ on some
> things, including basic stuff like kernel compiles.
> The only valid reason for the 4g split is that the VM doesn't always 
> behave well with huge amounts of highmem. The anonvma stuff in 2.6.7-pre1 
> is hoped to make that much less of an issue.
> Personally, if we never need to merge 4g for real, I'll be really really 
> happy. I see it as a huge ugly hack.

The performance can be improved by using a u area to store and map
things like vmas, kernel stacks, pagetables, file handles and
descriptor tables, and the like with supervisor privileges in the same
set of pagetables as the user context so that system calls may be
serviced without referencing the larger global kernel data area, which
would require the %cr3 reload. This does, however, seem at odds with
Linux' design in a number of respects, e.g. vmas etc. are on lists
containing elements belonging to different contexts. I suspect kernels
doing this would have to architect their page replacement algorithms
and truncate() semantics so as to avoid these out-of-context accesses
or otherwise suffer these operations being inefficient.

-- wli

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-05-24  2:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-23 19:43 4g/4g for 2.6.6 Phy Prabab
2004-05-23 20:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23 20:51   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-24  1:55     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24  2:19       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-24  2:33         ` Wim Coekaerts
2004-05-31  9:51           ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-24  3:30         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-06-01  5:52       ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-05-23 21:55   ` Phy Prabab
2004-05-24  7:05     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-24  7:11       ` Phy Prabab
2004-05-24  7:24         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-24  7:27           ` Phy Prabab
2004-05-24 12:01             ` Dave Jones
2004-05-24  2:39   ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2004-05-24  8:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-05-24 12:48     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25 19:15       ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-25 19:41         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-25 19:50           ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-25 20:10             ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-25 21:15               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-26 10:33                 ` 4k stacks in 2.6 Ingo Molnar
2004-05-26 12:50                   ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-26 12:53                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-26 13:00                       ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-26 13:05                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-26 16:41                           ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-27 12:45                             ` Ingo Molnar
2004-05-27 13:59                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-27 14:03                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-27 14:42                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-06-02 19:40                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-05-27 14:18                                 ` Brian Gerst
2004-05-27 14:50                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-27 14:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-27 15:39                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-05-27 18:31                                       ` Guy Sotomayor
2004-05-27 19:26                                         ` Brian Gerst
2004-06-01  5:56                             ` 4k stacks in 2.6 [worst offenders] Jörn Engel
2004-06-01  6:02                               ` [RFC PATCH] explicitly mark recursion count Jörn Engel
2004-06-01 12:20                                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-01 13:27                                   ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-01 13:32                                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-06-01 13:37                                       ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-01 19:48                                         ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-01 19:29                                   ` Horst von Brand
2004-06-01 19:58                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 13:16                                       ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 14:15                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 14:27                                           ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 14:45                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 15:04                                               ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 15:12                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 15:27                                                   ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 15:52                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 16:17                                                       ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 16:25                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-02 17:17                                                           ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 17:32                                                             ` Greg KH
2004-06-02 17:46                                                               ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 14:35                                           ` Davide Libenzi
2004-06-02 18:20                                             ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 18:37                                               ` Davide Libenzi
2004-06-02 18:58                                                 ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 19:33                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02 19:37                                                   ` viro
2004-06-02 19:45                                                     ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 19:59                                                       ` viro
2004-06-03  6:55                                                         ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-02 19:55                                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02 23:20                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2004-06-03  7:29                                                     ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-01 12:39                                 ` viro
2004-06-01 13:26                                   ` Jörn Engel
2004-06-07 18:14                         ` 4k stacks in 2.6 Timothy Miller
2004-06-08  6:26                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-06-08  8:45                             ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-26 18:12                     ` David S. Miller
2004-05-26 19:02                       ` Matt Mackall
2004-05-26 19:25                         ` Dave Jones
2004-05-25 21:16               ` 4g/4g for 2.6.6 Andrew Morton
2004-05-25 21:48                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-05-25 22:09                   ` David S. Miller
2004-05-25 22:20                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-05-25 23:10                       ` David S. Miller
2004-05-25 21:04             ` Bill Davidsen
2004-05-24  1:33 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-24  1:38   ` Phy Prabab
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2004-05-24 10:27       ` Thomas Glanzmann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-25 19:49 Manfred Spraul
2004-05-25 19:54 ` Ingo Molnar

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