From: Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] Explicitly documenting patch submission
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:08:34 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040525180834.GC26081@hexapodia.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405250948530.9951@ppc970.osdl.org>
On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 10:05:26AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2004, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > The patch-submission process can be more complicated than a simple path
> > up a heirarchy of maintainers--patches get bounced around a lot
> > sometimes.
>
> Yes. And documenting the complex relationships obviously can't be sanely
> done. The best we can do is a "it went through these people".
>
> Perfect is the enemy of good. If we tried to be perfect, we'd never get
> anything done.
Agreed, but...
> > * I write a patch. Developers X and Y suggest significant
> > changes. I make the changes before I submit them to maintainer
> > Z. Suppose the changes are significant enough that I no longer
> > feel comfortable representing myself as the sole author of the
> > patch. Should I also be asking developer X and Y to add their
> > own "Signed-off-by" lines?
>
> That, my friend, is a matter of your own taste and conscience. My answer
> is that if you wrote it all, you clearly don't _need_ to. At the same
> time, I think that it's certainly in good taste to at least _ask_ them.
> Wouldn't you agree?
This is one example of a general class of problem; another example is
"Andrew integrated 15 patches into -mm5". When you have an aggregate
work representing a conglomeration of works from several different
developers, it becomes unwieldy to apply "tags" as you're suggesting.
What if I send a patch to l-k, and Bruce forwards it on to Andrew;
meanwhile, Joe sends another patch to l-k and Peter forwards it on to
Andrew. Andrew integrates both patches, as well as several unrelated
bits he creates himself, into -mm77, which he sends to Linus and gets
integrated.
My signature can only apply to the patch I submitted, but that
distinction has been demolished long before the patch got anywhere near
a database that might be able to record it. If we get lucky, the patch
in the l-k archives might be recognizable in -mm77.patch and the
resultant cset.
This problem is somewhat mitigated if all "aggregators" use BK, since
BKs csets preserve the boundaries of attestation that are interesting
here. But it's not reasonable or sane to try to filter this problem
through BK.
-andy
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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-05-23 6:46 [RFD] Explicitly documenting patch submission Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23 7:41 ` Neil Brown
2004-05-23 8:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-23 15:25 ` Greg KH
2004-05-23 15:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-23 15:42 ` Greg KH
2004-05-23 18:03 ` Matt Mackall
2004-05-23 15:38 ` Ian Stirling
2004-05-23 15:44 ` Greg KH
2004-05-23 16:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23 15:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23 16:33 ` Horst von Brand
2004-05-23 17:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23 17:32 ` Roman Zippel
2004-05-23 17:55 ` Joe Perches
2004-05-23 19:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-23 19:12 ` Joe Perches
2004-05-23 21:41 ` Francois Romieu
2004-05-23 19:01 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-23 19:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 15:20 ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-25 21:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-25 6:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2004-05-25 18:11 ` Paul Jackson
2004-05-25 7:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-25 15:32 ` Steven Cole
2004-05-25 16:02 ` Bradley Hook
2004-05-25 18:51 ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-25 19:44 ` Bradley Hook
2004-05-26 4:16 ` Daniel Phillips
2004-05-25 13:11 ` Ben Collins
2004-05-25 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 17:18 ` Ben Collins
2004-05-25 18:02 ` Dave Jones
2004-05-25 18:06 ` Ben Collins
2004-05-25 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 15:00 ` raven
2004-05-25 15:44 ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-25 16:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 16:43 ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-25 17:40 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-25 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 16:42 ` J. Bruce Fields
2004-05-25 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 18:08 ` Andy Isaacson [this message]
2004-05-25 20:10 ` Matt Mackall
2004-06-10 12:58 ` Pavel Machek
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2004-05-23 23:19 Shane Shrybman
[not found] <1YUY7-6fF-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-05-24 19:57 ` Andi Kleen
2004-05-24 20:07 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-24 20:19 ` Joe Perches
2004-05-24 20:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24 21:16 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-24 21:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 0:41 ` Francis J. A. Pinteric
2004-05-25 1:56 ` viro
2004-05-24 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24 22:01 ` Andi Kleen
2004-05-24 22:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24 20:50 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-05-24 21:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24 21:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-10 8:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-25 3:49 ` Matt Mackall
2004-05-25 4:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 11:11 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-05-25 13:48 ` Steven Cole
2004-05-25 14:12 ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-24 21:19 ` Horst von Brand
2004-05-24 23:05 Albert Cahalan
2004-05-25 3:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 19:28 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] <1ZBgK-68x-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-05-25 6:43 ` Kai Henningsen
[not found] <20040525110000.27463.19462.Mailman@lists.us.dell.com>
2004-05-25 15:03 ` Justin Michael
2004-05-27 6:20 Larry McVoy
2004-05-27 8:04 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-27 14:51 ` Larry McVoy
2004-05-27 15:18 ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-27 16:13 ` Jon Smirl
2004-05-27 21:09 ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-27 21:46 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-05-28 13:24 ` Larry McVoy
2004-05-28 15:07 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-05-28 15:19 ` Dave Jones
2004-05-28 15:27 ` Larry McVoy
2004-05-28 15:35 ` Dave Jones
2004-05-28 17:11 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-05-28 17:16 ` Larry McVoy
2004-05-28 15:24 ` Larry McVoy
[not found] <A6974D8E5F98D511BB910002A50A6647615FD265@hdsmsx403.hd.intel.com>
2004-06-03 6:38 ` Len Brown
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