From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl, edt@aei.ca,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ide errors in 7-rc1-mm1 and later
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:15:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040610151540.GO13836@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1086880447.10973.333.camel@watt.suse.com>
On Thu, Jun 10 2004, Chris Mason wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 20:38, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Chris Mason <mason@suse.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:50, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Does journal has checksum or some other protection against failure during
> > > > > writing journal to a disk? If not than it still can be screwed even with
> > > > > ordered writes if we are unfortunate enough. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > A transaction is written to disk as two synchronous operations: write all
> > > > the data, wait on it, write the single commit block, wait on that.
> > > >
> > > > If the commit block were to hit disk before the data then we have a window
> > > > in which poweroff+recovery would replay garbage into the filesystem.
> > > >
> > > > So I think we have a bug in the current ext3 barrier implementation - we
> > > > need a blk_issue_flush() before submitting the buffer_ordered commit block.
> > >
> > > The IDE barriers are both a pre and post flush. If the commit block is
> > > ordered, before the commit block hits the disk we know all the blocks
> > > previously submitted are also on disk.
> > >
> >
> > Oh, OK. Will the same apply to (for example) scsi?
>
> For scsi the general expectation is that write cache will be off unless
> it is battery backed. blkdev_issue_flush does go down to scsi, but I'm
> not sure about the regular WRITE_BARRIER stuff. Jens?
That's right, blkdev_issue_flush() works but barriers don't yet. The
usual error handling story.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-06-10 15:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-05-27 20:24 [2.6.7-rc1-mm1] cant mount reiserfs using -o barrier=flush Günther Persoons
2004-05-27 23:28 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-05-28 11:54 ` Gunther Persoons
2004-05-28 12:18 ` Jens Axboe
2004-05-28 21:39 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-05-29 8:30 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 2:07 ` ide errors in 7-rc1-mm1 and later Ed Tomlinson
2004-06-04 2:31 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-04 9:42 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 11:22 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-06-04 11:32 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 11:45 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 11:57 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-04 12:01 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 12:38 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-04 12:47 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 13:34 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-04 15:23 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 16:14 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-05 9:18 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-09 21:52 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-09 22:06 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-09 23:38 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-09 23:50 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-10 0:20 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10 0:37 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-10 1:02 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10 0:28 ` Chris Mason
2004-06-10 0:38 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-10 0:45 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10 15:14 ` Chris Mason
2004-06-10 15:15 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2004-06-10 1:05 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10 6:27 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-10 6:26 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-05 9:24 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-06 16:18 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-06 20:46 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-10 0:38 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10 6:11 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-10 16:41 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-10 17:50 ` flush cache range proposal (was Re: ide errors in 7-rc1-mm1 and later) Jeff Garzik
2004-06-10 18:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-10 20:33 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-11 16:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-11 7:55 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-11 16:17 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-11 16:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-11 16:52 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-11 16:58 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-11 16:54 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-11 16:50 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-11 16:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-11 6:10 ` Stuart Young
2004-06-26 8:31 ` ide errors in 7-rc1-mm1 and later Andre Hedrick
2004-06-26 8:58 ` Andre Hedrick
2004-06-28 18:18 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-07-02 8:29 ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-07 5:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-04 11:48 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-09 23:44 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-06-09 23:52 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-10 0:17 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-06-10 6:29 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-14 21:42 ` Ed Tomlinson
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