From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
Matt Porter <mporter@kernel.crashing.org>,
Jamey Hicks <jamey.hicks@hp.com>, Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, greg@kroah.com, tony@atomide.com,
david-b@pacbell.net, joshua@joshuawise.com
Subject: Re: DMA API issues
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:10:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040623171033.F27549@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s5h7jtyjmbj.wl@alsa2.suse.de>; from tiwai@suse.de on Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:01:04PM +0200
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 06:01:04PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:44:19 +0100,
> Russell King wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 05:36:57PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > > and a similar one for the ARM-specific "write combining" case (for
> > > > framebuffers utilising the DMA API)?
> > >
> > > pgprot_noncached() is used on many other architectures in fbmem.c
> > > (well, not really, but the result is identical).
> > > Should it be provided as another one, or is it used as default in
> > > dma_mmap_coherent()?
> >
> > The whole point is to kill the idea that drivers should have to know
> > about page protection crap. That should be wholely contained within
> > the architecture implementation.
>
> I agree. My question is whether we need to handle different cases
> with cached, non-cached and writecombine, according to the demand of
> the driver. In other words, do we always handle these mmap pages to
> be non-cached (except for writecombine version)?
No - the driver should have _zero_ visibility of this. The only time
the cache property comes in is where the architecture needs to alter
these properties to achieve the requirements of the interface - IOW
to provide user space with a DMA-coherent mapping.
Remember that some architectures are unable to disable caching on a
page by page basis, yet may be able to offer fully-cached DMA coherent
mmaps, and therefore such driver interference is wrong.
--
Russell King
Linux kernel 2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
maintainer of: 2.6 PCMCIA - http://pcmcia.arm.linux.org.uk/
2.6 Serial core
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-06-23 16:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-06-18 16:59 DMA API issues Ian Molton
2004-06-18 18:07 ` Matt Porter
2004-06-18 18:19 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-18 18:58 ` Matt Porter
2004-06-18 18:33 ` Jamey Hicks
2004-06-18 19:21 ` Matt Porter
2004-06-18 19:43 ` Russell King
2004-06-21 13:35 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-21 23:08 ` Russell King
2004-06-22 2:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-22 3:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-22 3:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-06-22 10:40 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-23 12:34 ` Russell King
2004-06-23 15:36 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-23 15:44 ` Russell King
2004-06-23 16:01 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-23 16:10 ` Russell King [this message]
2004-06-22 10:48 ` Takashi Iwai
2004-06-18 19:48 ` Jamey Hicks
2004-06-18 21:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-18 22:12 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-06-18 23:27 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-18 23:26 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-18 23:30 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 23:32 ` Jeff Garzik
[not found] ` <20040619005714.37b68453.spyro@f2s.com>
[not found] ` <40D3838B.2070608@pobox.com>
[not found] ` <20040619011621.4491600a.spyro@f2s.com>
[not found] ` <40D3872F.5010007@pobox.com>
2004-06-19 0:34 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-19 21:15 ` Tony Lindgren
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-18 18:20 James Bottomley
2004-06-18 18:35 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-18 18:52 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 18:57 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-18 19:20 ` David Brownell
2004-06-18 19:44 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-18 19:57 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 21:08 ` David Brownell
2004-06-18 21:14 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 22:38 ` David Brownell
2004-06-18 23:07 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 23:31 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-19 18:23 ` David Brownell
2004-06-19 20:41 ` Russell King
2004-06-19 21:46 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-19 22:49 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-20 13:37 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-20 15:50 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-20 16:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-20 16:57 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-20 20:15 ` David Brownell
2004-06-20 16:46 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-20 18:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-06-20 19:27 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-20 19:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-06-20 20:07 ` David Brownell
2004-06-20 20:18 ` David Brownell
2004-06-20 20:02 ` David Brownell
2004-06-18 23:25 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-18 23:29 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 23:51 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-19 0:04 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-19 0:14 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-19 3:49 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-20 20:59 ` Jamey Hicks
2004-06-18 19:30 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 19:56 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-18 19:22 ` Jamey Hicks
2004-06-18 19:41 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 20:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-06-18 20:07 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 20:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-06-18 20:24 ` James Bottomley
2004-06-18 21:20 ` Russell King
2004-06-18 23:20 ` Ian Molton
2004-06-20 18:25 ` Deepak Saxena
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