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From: Andries Brouwer <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>
To: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>
Cc: Andries Brouwer <aebr@win.tue.nl>,
	Szakacsits Szabolcs <szaka@sienet.hu>,
	Andries Brouwer <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>,
	"Patrick J. LoPresti" <patl@users.sourceforge.net>,
	bug-parted@gnu.org, Steffen Winterfeldt <snwint@suse.de>,
	Thomas Fehr <fehr@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Clausen <clausen@gnu.org>,
	buytenh@gnu.org, msw@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Restoring HDIO_GETGEO semantics for 2.6 (was: Re: [RFC] Restoring HDIO_GETGEO semantics)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 23:08:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040705210813.GE29504@apps.cwi.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200407052105.05585.bzolnier@elka.pw.edu.pl>

On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 09:05:05PM +0200, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:

> Andries, the question was "What should we do with HDIO_GETGEO breakage?"
> not "Why does somebody need the BIOS geometry?". :-)
> 
> We can fix HDIO_GETGEO to behave like in 2.4 or remove it (preferable),
> current situation is bad.

I don't know precisely why.

Neither of your two proposed actions appeals to me.

Here is an ioctl, and it is used for legitimate purposes
(finding the starting offset of a partition).
You cannot remove it. We can think again in 2.7.
For now, leave the kernel interface constant.

Is there any advantage in going back? I don't think so.
The old situation was broken. People lost all data.

Also "the old situation" is badly defined. The returned value differs
for 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6.

No. We must go forward.

Now distributions can take care of themselves. They can patch the kernel
as they like, or patch parted as they like, or do any number of other things.
RedHat and SuSE can take their own decisions. With some luck there is a new
parted next week or so that they could offer.

So we can go slowly and quietly, investigate precisely what happens, and why
and how such things can be fixed. I think I understand rather well what is
(was) wrong with parted. Maybe Szaka can teach me about other tools that are
broken. I am confident that we can fix them, maybe in hours rather than days.

As a side result we will have something valuable, namely standard software
that tries to handle BIOS data. Several orders of magnitude more reliable
than our old guesses.

Andries

  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-05 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <s5gwu1mwpus.fsf@patl=users.sf.net>
2004-07-02 16:17 ` [RFC] Restoring HDIO_GETGEO semantics (was: Re: workaround for BIOS / CHS stuff) Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-02 16:50   ` Andries Brouwer
2004-07-02 18:28     ` dwm
2004-07-02 21:12       ` parted maintainership Andries Brouwer
2004-07-02 17:04   ` [RFC] Restoring HDIO_GETGEO semantics (was: Re: workaround for BIOS / CHS stuff) Andries Brouwer
2004-07-02 18:12     ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-02 18:45       ` Patrick J. LoPresti
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407022025200.28638@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk>
2004-07-02 19:57           ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-07-03  0:17             ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-03  0:42               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-07-03  0:56                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-07-03  1:57                   ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-03 13:59                   ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-07-05 12:14                   ` Restoring HDIO_GETGEO semantics for 2.6 (was: Re: [RFC] Restoring HDIO_GETGEO semantics) Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-05 13:10                     ` Steffen Winterfeldt
2004-07-05 13:12                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-07-05 13:13                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-07-05 14:00                       ` Andries Brouwer
2004-07-05 19:05                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-07-05 21:08                           ` Andries Brouwer [this message]
2004-07-05 21:52                             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-07-06  0:17                               ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-06  1:56                                 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-07-06 18:56                                   ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-07  1:28                                     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-07-07 11:14                                       ` Roman Zippel
2004-07-07 11:51                                         ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-06  8:33                                 ` Steffen Winterfeldt
2004-07-05 18:09                       ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-05 18:58                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-07-03  3:00             ` [RFC] Restoring HDIO_GETGEO semantics (was: Re: workaround for BIOS / CHS stuff) Andrew Clausen
2004-07-02 23:55         ` Szakacsits Szabolcs
2004-07-03 13:56           ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-07-03  2:54         ` Andrew Clausen
     [not found]           ` <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407030843400.2415@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk>
2004-07-03 12:44             ` Andrew Clausen
     [not found]               ` <Pine.LNX.4.60.0407031535230.6149@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk>
2004-07-03 15:02                 ` Andrew Clausen
2004-07-03 14:42           ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-07-03  1:35   ` Andrew Clausen
2004-07-03 12:33     ` Andries Brouwer
2004-07-03 14:15     ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-07-03 14:45       ` Andrew Clausen
2004-07-03 15:00         ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2004-07-03 20:12         ` Andries Brouwer

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